To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

You don't study languages abroad. You study them at home, properly, and then, having mastered them, you go abroad to polish them, so to say. Best linguistic results in proper linguistic jobs (simultaneous interpreters and translators too) were - university degree (taught in English) + postgrad diploma (usually Bath) and then, with a postgraduate diploma, a year or two abroad.

I thought immersion was the best way to learn?

I saw a baby black hippo at a zoo - the keeper said they would hope to get it into its own habitat but brexit had stopped that due to all the vet checks needed for its passage being so complicated and probably couldn’t be done. I believe this is being resolved now.
Why wouldn’t we cooperate with our neighbours on things like this?
I’m more surprised Brexiteers aren’t happy with sharing of criminality data when it will help identify criminal immigrants though.

You learn a significant amount at home but if you want to become fluent it makes sense to live in the country.
i was lucky enough to have a few years in France some time ago, well after I’d studied a level French. It took me no time to get back to where I was leaving school and a couple of years later I was fluent which I never had been before.
We loved our time there and would go back in a heartbeat if we could.

There isn’t going to be free movement of people so why are you upset?
Back in 2016 I raised concerns about Trump, Putin, us being isolated and people literally laughed in my face. You don’t think we need allies in the current climate? You’re mad if you don’t think we need to have close ties with Europe, we need it more than ever before!
there’s a generation who don’t seem to understand this basic simple premis. I’d love to live in your bubble! Must be nice!

OP, you have provided us with precisely zero information about why you don't want to be 'governed by EU law' but you seem annoyed people aren't agreeing with you (and also weirdly annoyed by being asked to elaborate on why you don't want it). I doubt you'll get anything out of this thread unless you're willing to give us more info on what exactly it is that you dislike about EU laws beyond the fact that 'they could overturn decisions made in our courts' (which is not always automatically a bad thing, by the way).

You are being an absolute fool op. How are you planning on feeding everyone in this island without imports from Europe? Fools like you would have seen millions of us starve or die in the ensuing civil war over food by forcing the hardest level of Brexit.

This country is finished due to its divisions and stupidity.

Ever heard of accents?

Immersion is a valid way to learn languages, more so than most. It’s how we learn our own.

In any case Very few people can afford to pay for the university track you outline now. Weirdly the same right wingers who stupidly pushed Brexit also destroyed the concept of meritocracy in Britain and the development of talent, preferring the accumulation of inheritances instead. We’re doomed.

What are you basing this on, do you have a background in languages? I do myself, and I totally disagree that you only need to travel to the country in which a language is spoken to 'polish' your skills. Language acquisition and language learning aren't the same thing, and it's generally accepted that to fully master a language (aka learn it 'properly') you need both. I did a degree in two languages, but until I actually spent significant amounts of time in each country my mastery of the languages was limited and two-dimensional, so to speak. There's a huge amount of vocabulary, nuance and just general quirks of a language that doesn't tend to be something you can pick up through studying alone.

You go on to talk about the study of interpreting/translation, where I can see your point re it not being necessary to be in the country where the L2 is spoken, ditto re course being taught in English. But you have to be extremely proficient in the L2 to be able to get on to a postgrad interpreting/translation course in the first place. Your post seems to conflate the study of languages with the study of interpretation/translation, and they're not the same thing at all.

Well I’ve got some great news for you - you don’t, and never have.

How so?

The EU never had jurisdiction over our laws courts, even before Brexshit. Our own parliament had to ratify their proposed laws first every time and was under no obligation to do so (though they often chose to).

We live under the jurisdiction of our own parliament and laws and always have to

Brexit related self radicalisation really needs to be studied, as does Farage’s ability to side step any blame.

The types of people, who after all this time still support Brexit, with all the economic damage caused and who are against any attempts to improve our lot are strange.

It was advertised in fact.

check internet under search 'the most powerful eurocrat in EU history' and many other posts about the row over how he was Selected for the job

I don't think the UK is on the verge of starvation. It has obesity and public health issues and massive sales of ozempic.

Not caused by Brexit - Crime, crumbling NHS, 1m immigrants a year (only 17% of which work and mostly in the lowest paid jobs), knackered infrastructure, highest taxpayers leaving UK due to high tax levels, government levelling down schools, government levelling down universities

Im happy if the government addressed those issues in first paragraph the UK would be in a much better position.

We have rubbish deal negotiators, out trade deal with the US sucked, our pre Brexit membership terms sucked. We lose on every deal we negotiate because politicians don't understand and don't care (Truss was the worst for this) and the civil servants making the deals and advising them are underpaid and dont care as they move roles every few years.

That doesn't make sense. Germany’s decision in 2015 to open its borders to a large number of refugees doesn’t obligate the UK (or other countries) to accept or settle those refugees. Each country controls its own immigration and asylum policies independently.

The UK wasn’t part of the Schengen Area, and even while in the EU, it maintained its own border controls and immigration rules. So the German refugee intake was a separate matter from what the UK decided to do.

EU is about free movement WITHIN the EU of EU nationals. Admitting non-EU immigrants in at the border is still within the control of that country of entry. . Germany cannot open Denmark's borders for non-EU immigrants for instance. Neither can it for the UK.

It’s a common misconception that one EU country’s immigration policies automatically apply to all others, but in reality, asylum and immigration remain largely national decisions, even within the EU framework—especially for non-EU citizens.

To which law in particular are you referring? Please could you include a link of it so that we can better understand your point of view?

So much for the “immersion model”! Even practicing on a family holiday abroad counts.

Yeah, you’re just wrong there.

Oh well if a random google search says something…

The post was advertised and was open internally within the EU’s civil service. Your first post implied you thought the post should be elected.

Did you also think the UK Cabinet Secretary job should have been elected? I’m willing to bet you also didn’t see the advert for that hanging around the walls of the job centre either.

What an unbelievably dense and ill-informed comment.

It is actually working class kids that have lost out the most. The spoilt bastards you speak of, like my own children, have EU citizenship. Many of our friends are in the same boat, and can most certainly afford to navigate visas, or pay for whole summers on the continent.

Your sneering that this has somehow shafted the demographic you mock, is far from the truth. It is those who need opportunity the most, that have lost out.

We voted to leave and we have left. We did not vote for no trading arrangements. There was a deal with the EU post Brexit, we now have a better one.

OP, what do you mean about EU courts overturning decisions of UK courts? Are you referring to the European Court of Human Rights? That is nothing to do with the EU. That came about as a result of the Treaty of London (which is capital of the UK) in 1956.

But never mind, you can go to the back of passport queues and pay more for food if you really want to.

OP, what EU law are you now suddenly living under? You do not live under law, you never did.

Taxation levels vary across the EU, but you were not liable to pay tax on goods purchased from other member states; you are now!

The age of consent varies across the EU.

France had unique rules about food.

Different member states have different driving rules.

But so called “EU law”, which doesn’t existed gave you rights of a longer guarantee on electrical goods and more security for things bought on line.

What would you have negotiated differently if you were in the position of these 'rubbish negotiators'?

Actually it’s quite clever from what I can see and makes it very unlikely you’ll ever be eating hormone beef or chlorine chicken, but I don’t reckon Brexit supporters want details or to think about actuality. They want a Tardis with Nigel Farage as Dr Who Betrayed the UK as they travel through time being relentlessly backwards

Most of the immigrants that now come here with large numbers of dependents, are due to Brexit.
Huge numbers of EU workers left the NHS after brexit, replaced by Africans and SE Asians... who bought their dependents...

Why did we even have Truss and her disasterous reign c/w Aus/NZ deal... ?

4% of lost GDP is billions less for our public services... why is everything so much worse now than 10 or 15 years ago?

As for the deal, its not even concluded yet but people like you will always seek to rubbish anything to do with the EU, even if it patently offers advantages to the UK on food, trade defence youth opportunities