To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

I completely disagree with you and hope everyone who voted out gets stuck at the back of every passport queue. You took away my, and my kids, right to free movement. For what? It's pathetic.

@TheGrimSmile it’s also causing a huge lack of big scale job creating investment , because unless you had a purely uk centric business would you invest here if you wanted easy access to the EU market rather than say Eire or Netherlands ?? - I wouldn’t - we basically handed the best business opportunities to our neighbours on a plate

Can you give an example of an EU law that we will now have to obey rather than just making a sweeping statement

Completely agree. And when you factor in the Leave votes some morons cast for ‘shits and giggles’, plus those other morons who were all ‘oh no, I didn’t really mean it, I never thought we’d actually leave!’, it does make you wonder how much of the UK genuinely wanted Brexit.

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The majority are in favour of rejoining now and it would not be a wafer thin majority

That's debateable:

6–8 May 2025 BMG Research for The i -
Rejoin 41%
Stay Out 40%
Neither 18%

Unfortunately the eu wasn't then and still isn't now a success in anyway. It's a large bloated burocratic nightmare. It can't agree on anything and some states do stuff get fined and don't care.
The black hole of corruption where billions gets lost is hard to follow or comprehend because it's all so removed.
They can't implement decrees because again some countries just lie and do their own thing
I found this out when I looked into pig farming standards years ago when I was repulsed by a pack of danepack bacon. They couldn't enforce the so called standards.

I just can't think of one success? It's an all around disaster.

• if it had been a roaring success uk wouldn't have voted to leave

@lifeonmars100 she can’t - she’s just going on ‘feels’ - like my relative - thing is sovreignity doesn’t put cash in wallets ( unless you are the royals!! ) it doesn’t create much investment, it doesn’t provide much needed tax take for social funding - it does appeal though to those who hate foreigners , flag wavers and the rule Britannia crowd of which there is a lot .

According to the CEO of Morrisons this deal will ease pressure on food prices @Viviennemary
that is a good thing surely?

You need to put the Daily Mail down and realise we need our neighbors . We need Europe, not the EU, as you wrongly have pointed out, "don't want their laws". Why not ? They were mainly protecting us..if we are not aligned with Europe will we are left with US and all the shit storm that that brings. Thanks to Brexit, so many young people have lost the ability for free movement... Working in Europe... something you had ...it's fucking shameful. Fortunately I have an Irish passport and so do my kids but millions aren't so lucky. I honestly hate people like you bigoted, ill-informed and damned stupid.

And not voting for them will just allow Reform or Tories to get in. If you are the person you say you are, Labour have the nearest value set to you so may be worth trying to lobby them on issues where you don’t agree - rather than let a party get in whose values are hideous to you. That helps none of us.

Why is it nonsense to study languages abroad? Surely it makes sense to study the language in the country it’s spoken in? Why shouldn’t parents want their children to be able to do this? I’m just baffled

It’s kind of common sense to have a good relationship with neighbouring countries. Even people who voted for Brexit still understood the importance of trade deals and benefit of free movement.

I really feel for you @GoldenGail - the majority of people living in large cities also voted to Remain. I heard the farmers were grumpy about Brexit too now - so am not sure who exactly voted for it. I only know one person IRL! And she’s now as embarrassed as hell!

And even then... it seems the Dark Ages were more sophisticated than we thought.
I think some people would just love to take their country to a whole different planet. Like Trump. He'd love to sail away in glory from the nasty nasty earthlings who've been 'ripping off' his MAGA base...

Just stating a point which in a democracy is permitted, or don’t you accept that unless it’s the point youwant,fyi, voted to stay in the referendum, absolutely didn’t vote labour in the election

I said it’s a move towards rejoining, which many believe it is, a trade deal doesn’t include freedom of movement and screwing the fishing industry

We could get rid of a British Prime Minister much more easily than we (or even the Americans, given the fixed 4-year term) could get rid of Trump.

Your point about bad EU leaders is a valid one, given the likes of Orban, Meloni, LePen, etc, But no such leader would be likely to have the level of power over the EU that an American president has over the USA, and over the rest of the world. I don't think that even Orban or LePen would, for example, pose the same threat to our food standards or our NHS as Trump or a similar future American president could.

Oh blah blah blah blah.

Yes, because the alternatives are stellar. Like the US and China.

What Brexit has shown is that Great Britain is in fact not so great, and we NEED to have allies in other countries.

Given the current options, the political climate and which buffoons have their fingers on the nuclear weapons buttons, I’d say the EU is a sensible choice.

All Brexit has done is shown everyone that you can’t have your cake and eat it.

NHS is still on its knees and now understaffed as lost thousands of staff, the British public is not queueing for the jobs ‘they stole from us’, the immigration is still a problem, just now it’s illegal, the trade deals are shocking .. and so on and so on.

You are permitted to state a point. Of course I accept that, regardless of whether or not I agree with you. As you say, that's part of living in a democratic society.

But equally, another aspect of living in a democratic society is that I'm permitted to point out when your point is flawed or stupid.

HTH

I can think of EU successes.

1. GDPR Regulations.
2. European Medicines Agency, avoiding the same work being carried out in all member states, a really efficient time and money saving organization.
3. The single market
4. Freedom of movement.

Perhaps others can think of more successes, but if you can’t think of even one, Maybe you haven’t been thinking very hard.

That’s what a meme would’ve been in 1997 though. A truism not the truth. And also didn’t happen.

CE marking and the Regulation of product performance. Universally accepted across the EU.

Post Brexit. UKCA marking was adopted. British manufacturers spent tens of thousands of pounds testing to UKCA before it was quietly dropped in 2024 and CE marking once agAin recognised as the standard. British companies pointlessly and needlessly penalised to no advantage to anyone. Thank you Brexit.

Exactly this !

@Viviennemary Such as? Which decisions didn’t you like? If you have to use Google they don’t count.