To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

NB This followed the European Court of Justice ruling.

These days it would be to lie on a beach and get drunk, all the while complaining about the bloody locals daring to speak to each other in their own language.

It was advertised in fact.

You are also wildly wrong on the migrant crisis response. First, Merkel could not - and did not - change EU policy unilaterally. She and other countries sought shared response to the migrant crisis. That ultimately didn’t happen because of opposition of other countries.

That is precisely how the EU works - sovereign nations make suggestions and those are either adopted through the EU processes or not. Neither Merkel nor any other leader had or has the ability to unilaterally dictate EU policy.

While I don't in anyway agree with OP on this, people dismissing her as thick and ignorant are exactly the reason Reform will get in. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is thick, racist and ignorant, in the same way not everyone who voted against it is a guardian reading Islingtonite.

LakieLady
What is "nonsense" about wanting to support our children and young people to learn languages

Languages should be compulsory to GCSE - the last Labour government scrapped it I think - whilst opening the doors to EU migration.

Found it - it was called To want Brexit reversed and the specific poster BeKookySheep - was writing that his/her reasons for wanting it reversed is because her talented 16-year old son wants to study languages abroad. This is such stupendous nonsense!

As opposed to the stupid nonsense about taking back control of our borders and sovereignty which doesn't appeared to have worked out quite as well as people expected when they voted 9 years ago ? Net migration was 250,000 in 2016, rising to a record figure of 906,000 in 2023 under the Conservatives.

Ahhhh, there we have it. A Reform voter. Says it all.

I also object to the reversal of some of Brexit . And the fishing community is not happy.
I will vote reform in future I the hope that they win the election and reverse this. And I am writing to my Labour MP. to complain... not that they have any say.... they are just fodder

But this wouldn't be specifically about her son, it's more that a whole generation of young people who didn't vote for Brexit lost out on opportunities to study and live abroad.

There was a lot of this kind of talk this time last year. Strangely the effect was precisely the opposite.

A wafer thin margin on and advisory vote, based on deliberate mis-information.
If it was 75% in favour, that would be one thing, but there was a tiny majority and a total hard brexit.
"Brexit means Brexit", absolutely no planning, no negotiation, no common sense.
We have had no benefits from Brexit...NONE!

The majority are infavour of rejoining now and it would not be a wafer thin majority.

Russian influenced the vote to harm Europe and the UK, it was in nobody's interests other than them and a bunch of self interested Politicians

@Livelovebehappy because of course it was all going so swimmingly well under the Tory’s - a totally vibrant economy, well funded public services, zero unwanted immigration , masses of international investment - they were far too busy extracting what cash they could for their mates and supporters ( the rich ones) because they knew the shit was going to hit the fan and they had fed the country utter wankpish . I wouldn’t want to be in starmers shoes either, the bloke effectively has to try and polish the turd he was left with no money, a hostile press with the odd exception, Farage still spouting bullshit from the safety of having to do nothing about it and a bunch of naive fruitcakes on the very left of his party who just resent the fact he’s pretty much a centreist with not much leeway economically to enact anything radical .

And as a Scot it really boils my piss that little Englanders like this dragged my country out despite us overwhelmingly voting to remain x

But won't be at the next election... I'm a life long labour supporter, anti Brexit, Guardian reading, North Londoner (basically the labour voting stereotype) and will really struggle ethically to vote for Labour again (not because of what OP has addressed BTW), I won't, and never will, vote Reform or Tory but voting for them just because they're slightly better than the Tories doesn't seem like a good enough reason.

@Viviennemary so typical of Brexit voters - trotting out old clichés about "being bullied by Europe" but disappears when asked to elaborate.

The average brit eats very little fish.

This could be changed with very little effort. We are surrounded by water, full of edible things and yet the vast majority of people will eat cod/haddock/salmon/prawns and tinned tuna. Bonkers really when you think about it.

There was a lot of tactical voting to get the Tories out. It’s not difficult to foresee that same thing happening to keep Reform out. I’d vote for whichever candidate was most likely to achieve that.

Why? What's your problem?

@enfrance as per my post below - there are stark options when the gvt essentially were handed a ticking time bomb and little cash to enact much that’s very positive - it doesn’t come out of thin air - the Tory’s made sure the options were shit -

the fish industry employs 6000 people and brings in 1 billion to the economy. It’s a tiny industry.

@enfrance and I vote Lib Dem by the way - but I can totally see why I wouldn’t want to be in his position -

We voted out - but only just. And only because people were lied to and had no idea what they were actually voting for. It was years ago now. It's been a fucking disaster on every level. In democracies people can change their minds. I'm delighted about closer ties but don't think it goes far enough. I think we need a re-vote and we should rejoin.

Net migration was 335,000 year ending June 2016 and that was probably an underestimate (confidence interval of +/-40,000 in any case) considering how many people applied to the EU Settlement Scheme. Ukraine refugees and post-Covid rise should also be considered a factor in the year ending June 2023 figures - plus the ONS were using 'experimental' improved calculation methods for 2023.

@Aprilrainagainagain absolutely - whereas if I mention the entertainment industry it brings in massively more and USA much higher employer and has particular Brexit challenges - I do know this also is in ongoing discussions- behind the scenes in gvt there is lots going on in many areas related to the issues- but nope let’s bring up fishing again , because it pulls the right bells -