Page 23 | To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

Viviennemary · 2025-05-19T13:07:31+00:00

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

LarkspurLane · 19/05/2025 20:07

Hwi · 19/05/2025 19:46

Oooohhh, you are on the wrong forum, I am afraid! People here bemoan the fact that their little ones won't be able to freeload on Erasmus programme, with the consensus being 'we should sacrifice our sovereign rights so little Timmy (aka Spoilt B**tard') can go on a year abroad to the Sorbonne. Aye.

Can you link to a thread or even a post saying that?

Hwi · 19/05/2025 20:08

LarkspurLane · 19/05/2025 20:07

Can you link to a thread or even a post saying that?

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It will take me a while, but I shall try to find this thread - it was running about 2 weeks ago?

JudgeJ · 19/05/2025 20:08

Shwish · 19/05/2025 14:08

What do you want then?

Although I didn't vote for Brexit I think this is the thin end of the wedge where an issue democratically voted on can be ignored if it then doesn't suit the government of the day.

Gyozas · 19/05/2025 20:08

Viviennemary · 19/05/2025 17:30

The old leftie argument. You're too thick to agree with us. Sorry I voted Labour last time. I won't again.

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lol. Just saw the username this thread was posted by. It’s you. 😆

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2025 20:09

Clavinova · 19/05/2025 18:59

Not yet an MEP - this case is probably one of the reasons he became one;

In 1988, the Eurosceptic Conservative government introduced the Merchant Shipping Act to negate the impact of the EU’s common fisheries policy. It restricted access to British waters and prevented foreign-owned vessels from re-registering as British ships in order to sell their catches in Europe, but count them against the British fishing quota (a practice known as “quota-hopping”).

However, the European Court of Justice ruled that this legislation broke European law...

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So Nig could do nothing at all in the years he was?

Oh no. Well he couldn't because he didn't turn up.

BIossomtoes · 19/05/2025 20:10

LakieLady · 19/05/2025 19:41

Ahem... I'm a boomer and so are most of my friends and colleagues. None of us voted to leave.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

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Quite. I don’t actually know anyone who voted Leave, including my friends mum who was 94 when she voted Remain for her grandchildren and great grandchildren.

bombastix · 19/05/2025 20:11

JudgeJ · 19/05/2025 20:08

Although I didn't vote for Brexit I think this is the thin end of the wedge where an issue democratically voted on can be ignored if it then doesn't suit the government of the day.

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This government was elected on a manifesto for a closer relationship with the EU. Democracy means views change.

Hwi · 19/05/2025 20:12

LarkspurLane · 19/05/2025 20:07

Can you link to a thread or even a post saying that?

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Found it - it was called To want Brexit reversed and the specific poster BeKookySheep - was writing that his/her reasons for wanting it reversed is because her talented 16-year old son wants to study languages abroad. This is such stupendous nonsense! I

MammaTo · 19/05/2025 20:12

Audiprettier · 19/05/2025 15:31

'We'll ask you again...!'
CF!
Starmer's selling us out!

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Oh no, you said hurty words, pretty much fits the stereotype though. Have a read through some of the posts explaining pretty well what these new trade deals are.

Clavinova · 19/05/2025 20:12

Alexandra2001 · 19/05/2025 19:29

Are you against foreign students coming then? Do you ever wonder why the UK has sooo many European scientists working in our life sciences or engineers in construction? yet people like you want to reverse this & go back in some period of time, probably the 1860s.

What Cameron said about leaving the SM, is irrelevant, it wasn't on the ballot paper, anyone who voted Leave, had no idea what version of Leave they would get...

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Are you against foreign students coming then?

No - but I am against paying £2bn to join Erasmus.

What Cameron said about leaving the SM, is irrelevant

I don't think it is at all - should we regard everything Keir Starmer says as irrelevant?

WillWeSeeAstilbe · 19/05/2025 20:13

Theroadt · 19/05/2025 20:07

And fishing is such a vital part of our economy isn’t it. 0.03% last time I checked. For heaven’s sake GET INFORMED don’t just blindly reiterate arguments thaf frankly were tired even in the 1970s.

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Any business given access to only 20% of available stock is going to be limited in its potential for growth, isn’t it? 🤦‍♀️

FGS I want us to go back in the EU!

I don’t want us to indirectly pay millions of pounds to the EU and still remain outside it!

We do not have a trade agreement with the EU. Starmer has not secured a trade agreement. He has agreed to let EU fishermen access UK waters in return for the EU agreeing to consider opening negotiations on youth mobility and trade.

Is this so difficult to understand?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 20:14

Hwi · 19/05/2025 20:12

Found it - it was called To want Brexit reversed and the specific poster BeKookySheep - was writing that his/her reasons for wanting it reversed is because her talented 16-year old son wants to study languages abroad. This is such stupendous nonsense! I

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So you saw one poster wanting their child to study abroad and you think that represents everyone on MN??

Livelovebehappy · 19/05/2025 20:21

nightmarepickle2025 · 19/05/2025 14:21

I don't want to live in a country in permanent irreversible economic decline, so we'll have to agree to differ.

Yep. And following through with this bonkers plan is going to reverse the economic decline. Not a chance. The damage is done, and not due to Brexit. It’s much more than that. Can’t wait to get this clown and his clueless gang out at the next election.

Gonners · 19/05/2025 20:22

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Audiprettier · 19/05/2025 20:22

Oh Goodness me! I do apologise...

I actually meant acerbic hideous CF!

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And uncle Matthew said that the only reason to go abroad is 'to kill foreigners' (c) Love in a cold climate.

blubbyblub · 19/05/2025 20:29

Viviennemary · 19/05/2025 17:22

Yes Reform will be cheering at today's news. I will vote Reform if only to keep us out of Europe's clutches. They bullied us long enough.

Like most reform voters. Voting on a single policy regardless of how damaging the rest of them are 🙄

dogmandu · 19/05/2025 20:29

PlanetJanette · 19/05/2025 18:05

It's weird that opponents of the EU then also have a problem with a member of the EU deciding its own immigration policy, as Merkel did for Germany.

And you comment about Martin Selmayer sounds great until you realise that of course he wasn't elected - because he was appointed the Secretary General. Which is a civil service job within the European Commission.

Can you think of any other civil servants who are 'elected'? If not, why do you think this one should be?

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I don't believe his job was posted. There was a very good youtube clip from the Eu commission and a dutch (I think) member who called them out on how undemocratic the whole business had been,. I can't find that either any more,
Merkel didn't just decide the immigration policy for Germany though did she? If I remember rightly the EU tried to force the rest of the EU countries to take their share of the immigrants . if they refused to do so, they were fined massively.

Clavinova · 19/05/2025 20:30

Theroadt · 19/05/2025 20:07

And fishing is such a vital part of our economy isn’t it. 0.03% last time I checked. For heaven’s sake GET INFORMED don’t just blindly reiterate arguments thaf frankly were tired even in the 1970s.

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Does that figure include tourism to the local area - attracted by a working fishing harbour? Or the boat builders and other industries they support? Food security?

PlanetJanette · 19/05/2025 20:31

Lockdownsceptic · 19/05/2025 18:57

Did 17.4 million people vote for Starmer's labour? I think not. The number was nearer 9,708,716.
But we have the answer, don't we? Those that lost don't even think the Brexit vote was a democratic vote. So where do we go from here? Some people don't believe we had a democratic mandate to leave the EU, I don't think 33% of the vote, and 20% of the electorate is enough for Starmer to reverse it. He will, of course, do everything in his power to do so, which will please the remainers, no doubt.
Fortunately, Starmer only has four more years to inflict damage on this country and then we'll see what happens.

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OK so you’re now objecting Governments giving effect to the policies they were elected to pursue?

It’s weird then that you take some solace in the possible outcome of a future general election, since you deny the democratic legitimacy of a Government enacting its platform after winning an election.

Again, presumably you’ll be fine as long they’re enacting a platform you agree with.

LakieLady · 19/05/2025 20:34

Hwi · 19/05/2025 20:12

Found it - it was called To want Brexit reversed and the specific poster BeKookySheep - was writing that his/her reasons for wanting it reversed is because her talented 16-year old son wants to study languages abroad. This is such stupendous nonsense! I

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What is "nonsense" about wanting to support our children and young people to learn languages if they want to? And living in the country where the language you're learning is spoken is the best way of improving skills in that language.

And it's not just languages. A friend spent 2 years studying history in Leiden as a post-grad, a friend's son did a chemical engineering post-grad in (iirc) Frankfurt and is now doing some very complex research that would never have got funding in the UK.

Umbilicat · 19/05/2025 20:35

Hwi · 19/05/2025 20:12

Found it - it was called To want Brexit reversed and the specific poster BeKookySheep - was writing that his/her reasons for wanting it reversed is because her talented 16-year old son wants to study languages abroad. This is such stupendous nonsense! I

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And this poster's child was called little Timmy (aka Spoilt B**tard') ? Or is that just your perception of anyone who wants to study languages abroad?

In any case it doesn't sound more ludicrous a reason than my MIL voting for Brexit because tea shops in Dorset are run down. Or my Polish friend because the tube is very busy in the morning.

Clavinova · 19/05/2025 20:36

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2025 20:09

So Nig could do nothing at all in the years he was?

Oh no. Well he couldn't because he didn't turn up.

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Silly me, I thought you might be interested in the case;

Crossbench peer and barrister Lord Pannick says that Factortame was “the most significant decision of United Kingdom courts on EU law”. “It brought home to lawyers, politicians and the public in this jurisdiction that EU law really did have supremacy over acts of parliament,”

Umbilicat · 19/05/2025 20:37

JudgeJ · 19/05/2025 20:08

Although I didn't vote for Brexit I think this is the thin end of the wedge where an issue democratically voted on can be ignored if it then doesn't suit the government of the day.

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It's not being ignored, we have still left the EU. We are renegotiating some terms of leaving the EU, which were not agreed in advance of thr 2016 referendum and which the Labour party said it would do in its manifesto and therefore was democratically voted on

materialgworl · 19/05/2025 20:38

At least you switched off the telly hey, that told him 😌