To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

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What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

I’m delighted. There has been a lot of time to deliver some Brexit dividends, yet no one seems to have achieved that - I’d have expected to see some of the benefits we were promised during that time by now, although unsurprised these never came.
I’m glad to see some pragmatism back in the room again.

OK so we've gone from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands...

Yes, I agree I made a mistake. I thought if 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU - the biggest democratic vote this country has ever seen - that the government of whatever colour would respect that decision. Instead we have had 9 years of fighting and still it isn't over.
We will be a free, sovereign nation once again, but unfortunately not under this ghastly government. 2029 cannot come soon enough.

It means they haven't read the details - mainly because they haven't been agreed

Youth experience scheme
The UK and the EU have agreed to co-operate further on a "youth experience scheme" - but this will be subject to further negotiations

The government says such a scheme "could see young people able to work and travel freely in Europe again" but would be "capped and time-limited"

It says the idea would mirror existing schemes the UK has with countries like Australia and New Zealand, where there is an annual quota of visas allowing people between the ages of 18 and 35 to work in each other's countries for up to three years

The UK is also negotiating to rejoin the Erasmus+ programme, which allows students to study or do an internship abroad

Note the part about an annual quota - so it won't be an open door to every Eastern European that poster had a problem with. It would be very much limited in the way other similar schemes are. And it would have an expiry date on it.

I fail to understand why it's problematic if that is the case.

I was one of the 50% who voted to stay and Brexit has been a complete disaster for my family, as predicted.

I’m glad Starmer is trying to put this right, even if it’s a drop in the ocean compared to what we’ve lost!

So when millions of people voted for a Government on a manifesto to tear down barriers to trade with the EU, what did you think would happen?

Or are you only keen on democratic outcomes that suit your views?

Sorry, but what's stopping the Labour government from sorting this out themselves?

What an odd question given what 14 years of the Tories and Brexit have done to our waters and coastlines.

I imagine they intend to tackle it. I guess they have had to prioritise which shit they 'sort' first, considering there is so much of it.

Landmarks in law: the 90s fishing case that stoked UK Euroscepticism.

Before Factortame, some UK politicians hadn’t fully grasped the power of EU law over parliament.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/mar/29/landmarks-in-law-the-90s-fishing-case-that-stoked-uk-euroscepticism

"we voted out" - actually 51% of people who voted wanted out it was a Huge controversy that's led to years of problems for everybody else

Newsflash - you still do for very many laws. They've just replaced EU with UK effectively. As for not wanting to live under EU laws, there are many, many EU laws enshrined in UK law which are 1. absolutely the right thing to do and which improve living and working conditions. I.e. there's not much to rationally object to. I'll add I did a degree in law which included EU law. Thirty odd years ago there was a huge amount of misinformation about EU laws and it's never really changed, especially if you read the right wing press/media

@Lockdownsceptic there was absolutely nothing democratic about the results of a vote that was predicated on pure lies and hyperbole.

Also, it hasn’t produced any of the benefits promised after almost 10 years so maybe the 49% of voters who disagreed originally, should be entitled to try something else?

We don’t have a trade deal with the US, we have an agreement to negotiate one.

We don’t have an agreement with the EU to do half the things claimed, we do have an agreement to open negotiations about implementing them.

In return for the EU’s agreement to open negotiations, the UK has pledged to allow the EU continued access to UK waters for fishing rights.

We have agreed a security and defence arrangement which we will probably have to pay in to in order to benefit from. We have also agreed to have meetings.

Apart from those three things we don’t have any binding agreements yet.

See Guardian comment

Hi Nigel.
Because it makes economic sense, leaving has cost us 4-5% of our GDP annually and it's a good deal.

Ffs. We can't actually "leave" Europe, we're geographically pinned to it.

We left the "EU" because of the lies promoted by the leave campaign snd Russian bots.

We ended up with a really crap deal because of that major bullsh*tter Boris Johnson, supposedly "getting Brexit done".

Now Starmer is trying to sort out some of the mess it's all left behind.

But no, you Brexiteers won't be happy till we've burned this country down to the fking ground.

Have you read anything but the Daily Mail and the koolaid offered by Farage and Co? That bunch of crooks and criminals?

Where was Nig?

Oh right yeah...

Luckily we're still living under EU laws.

No one is going to change them.

Hopefully this is a first step to going back in.

The past decade has proven that we were sold a lie.

Brexit did not reduce immigration or free up
money to go into the NHS.

It brought in costs and barriers with no benefit. All in the name of “sovereignty”.

Well the fact that we left proves that we still have sovereignty. Great! Now let’s exercise that sovereignty again by seeing what the British people still think of Brexit in another “ten years later” in/out referendum.

After all, you wouldn’t hold a general election and then refuse to hold another claiming that you had a popular mandate for life, would you?

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It's interesting that you admit to turning off your TV rather than hear any inconvenient facts, OP. 'Twas ever thus amongst Brexiteers.

Yes I agree, nothing to see here just picking up pieces for sound bites.

It’s really difficult to follow what people are getting annoyed about if I’m honest.

I think a lot of people who shout "sovereignty" have no idea what it means.

I'm still waiting for one single, solitary benefit of Brexit. I voted to remain, like the vast majority of graduates...

Is it tiring to have such a boring life that you need to seek imaginary victimhood?

Since polls are consistently showing the British people would prefer to rejoin, Farage is going to have to work hard (!) to sort this out for the diehard leavers now.

I'm sure that given the right deep level counselling, strong and regular medication and the sweet passage of time you will pull through this. 🙄

There have been no benefits whatsoever from brexit so far

Closer ties to EU in a world where USA gone rogue, China, Russia all threats….we are isolated on our own CLOSER TO EUROPE IS THE SANE SENSIBLE APPROACH!