To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

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What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

Because theres a bunch of countries saying they simply are not ready and won't be able to accomodate the new system when it initially comes in - remember on the first trip, everyone will have to get finger printed on their inital trip after the rule change. Sheer numbers mean its not like a system thats already long establish and the key bit here is the volume of non-EU citizens travelling is higher because its short haul. And its not just the finger printing, its also the new visa system thats due too, which will cause chaos as that will slow things too (though at least those people who fail to get a visa, will mostly be stopped by airlines in the UK as they'll get fined otherwise).

Given it took me 1hr 30mins to get through Schipol a couple of weeks ago WITHOUT the extra admin of finger printing, I don't think saying six hours to get through is really unrealistic. Instead of just checking passports for groups, they'll have to individually process finger prints.

I am assuming that in order to use the eGate system it means that its more likely the UK will be exempt from the finger printing (eGates don't have fingerprint tech so I'm assuming we've dodged that bullet) and even if its not, it'll still speed things up much quicker once the finger print data base starts to fill out.

@WestwardHo1 Did I at any point in my post say I was the only expert on coastal fishing on MN? No I didnt.

@Crikeyalmighty and geographically in the UK where are these fishing industry people? So small industrys dont matter and arent worth preserving then? and you do obviously realise, since you understand the industry and the communities that fishing communities also play a key role in tourism for different areas of the UK? or is that another industry you dont care about.

@RedToothBrush a deal that was supposed to expire next year and which the industry reluctantly agreed to initially because it was told to see the greater good and that it was a case of jam tomorrow. and now that tomorrow is here its still no fucking jam.

Everyone on here defending the deal, saying how awful brexit is and the other blah blah blah that comes from those who didnt agree with it in the first place and wont respect the democrat out vote decision you do ACTUALLY realise that Sir Keir is driving more and more people towards voting reform?

Literally the Reform party must be cheering from the rafters at this story, they really really must. I hope I live to see the next election and read all the hand wringing on MN - how could this have happened, we never imagined this would be the outcome etc etc - when Reform either get in or hold the balance of power.

So many posts banging on about seeing the bigger picture, well this right here is the bigger picture. What do you think ties with europe will look like under Nige and his cronies. Not something I even want to contemplate.

My brothers and families live in a coastal area of Spain. It's not quite the Nirvana you might think.....
Coastal areas in Spain are facing challenges with wastewater treatment and illegal discharges, leading to beach closures and water quality concerns. The problem is particularly acute in tourist areas like the Costa del Sol and the Canary Islands. While Spain has invested in wastewater treatment plants, some smaller urban areas discharge directly into the sea without the required biological treatment.

How is doing a trade deal to make commerce with our closest neighbours and biggest market easier, cheaper, and faster the act of a “traitor” ?

Why is high friction expensive trade with our biggest & closest market a good thing in your view?

I'm quoting from the BBC website.

Who said this snippet from Hansard ?

a deal that was supposed to expire next year and which the industry reluctantly agreed to initially because it was told to see the greater good and that it was a case of jam tomorrow. and now that tomorrow is here its still no fucking jam.

Ok, genuinely trying to understand this thought process. If I'm understanding, it's that having left without any deals in place, the Brexit coalition negotiated a deal that the fishing industry accepted, but wasn't particularly happy with. And now Starmer, a Remainer, is expected to somehow magically have negotiated a better deal than the leavers were able to come up with?

To be honest, I'm having trouble with that logic. Or am I not getting this right?

Don't let the facts to cloud your judgement

Brexiteers never bother with checking the facts, why would they?

CORRECT.

Parliamentary Under Secretary of State Department for Business and Trade and Scotland Office

Sorry. That was for @Kugelblitz

the govt knew the deal was up next year. yes, it is a deal that they didnt negotiate but they are now the ones in office so the renegotiation of the deal falls to them doesnt it. the expectation of the industry was that the govt would negotiate a deal that was better for them than the one they were currently in because that is what they were told. ie. take this deal, suck it up work with it and give us time to get you something post brexit that is better.

The eu know the deal is up next year. they dont want to give up the fishing rights to our waters do they because thats not in their best interests. so, they were always going to try and either maintain the status quo or screw even more out of us.

Keirs job as PM is to act in the best interests of the UK as I understand it. Did he consult fishermen before agreeing to this? who in the industry has he spoken to and when? He knows this isnt a good deal for fishermen. he knows that but he doesnt care because he wants to overturn the brexit vote by stealth. if he is so sure that the country agrees with him and that we all now want closer EU ties, put it to a vote.

sweetgingercat
just before Brexit, the EU passed a directive that forbade the rich from hiding their untaxed income in tax havens. So there was a scramble to get out, so all the untaxed UK rich could continue to conceal their untaxed gains abroad

Don't be ridiculous.

Many people voted out due to the lies we were told eg the infamous Boris/Farage shite about how money saved would be pumped directly into the NHS.

Even with that, the vote was incredibly close.

Just under half of voters wanted to remain.

All official polls show, and have shown for a couple of years, tat a re-vote would put us back in by a comfortable margin.

Why you'd see today's developments as negative when it could bring billions into the economy and bring prices down is beyond me.

I take it you just hate the EU and hate Starmer.

Which part?

Yes Reform will be cheering at today's news. I will vote Reform if only to keep us out of Europe's clutches. They bullied us long enough.

Best thing he could have done without a time machine. Brexit is an unmitigated catastrophe

First sensible thing he's done since he was elected.
If he keeps this up I might even vote for him.
YAB very, very U.

OP, in what way/s do you feel the UK has benefited from Brexit?

I am not a brexiteer. I do however think that people voted to come out of europe and that that should be respected. Not a difficult position to understand in a democracy I would have thought. And as for facts, I have explained, but can do so again, that the original deal was done on the basis that there would be jam tomorrow. that this was a holding deal and that a better one was coming. Again, not a difficult concept to understand, a bit like taking a pay cut when you get promoted to a new job on the basis that your career prospects in this new job are better - jam tomorrow.

Have you done a google search on the boats currently fishing our territorial waters?

I think it’s just a turn of phrase. We all know what they mean.

Any attempt by either the UK or EU to portray the new [fishing] deal as a continuation of existing arrangements would be a lie, because in fact the Trade & Co-operation Agreement paved the way for annual access negotiations from 2026.
https://thefishingdaily.com/uk-fishing-industry-news-news/disaster-for-uk-fishermen-as-labour-government-sells-out-fishing/

It was always going to happen, we need close ties with local trading partners to be successful as a country. Events since leaving have shown how clear this was, and looking to the future it's absolutely evident that closer ties are needed to protect our way of life.

We stupidly left a position of being a leader in this group with a significant say in what the laws should be. Clearly we're now going to move to a position where we are governed by EU law however have given up our say in what those laws are - completely dumb that we've voted to leave a position of power but there you go that's the 52% of the voting British public for you.

Is that you, JD?

Your lack of comprehension is truly something to behold.