Page 13 | To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

Viviennemary · 2025-05-19T13:07:31+00:00

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

Fernandoo · 19/05/2025 16:34

I absolutely want closer ties to Europe. Vital for our economy plus many other things.

moveoveralice · 19/05/2025 16:34

Sparklebiscuit · 19/05/2025 16:18

The OP is entitled to her opinion. It is alas the sneering of Remainers that partly galvanized the Leave vote. I say this as a passionate Remainer who had a front row seat as a semi- neutral observer.

A previous poster mentioned the ECHR which we are still governed by and which the Leave vote had zero impact on. This is where the OP is wrong. That and ignoring the economic vandalism that Brexit has inflicted on us and our children.

The Leave campaign was effective because the one thing people fear most is losing control. I witnessed Leave supporting politicians telling Asian heritage voters to vote Leave as they would make it easier for their family to come to the UK. I did chuckle at the idea of the anti-immigration voters backing Leave because they hate East Europeans while inadvertently supporting more migration from non-European countries.

I see Brexit as a total loss of control: loss of our economy, loss of our borders, loss of educational and employment and travel
and retirement opportunities for us and our children. I do hope Starmer makes the first positive step in his rocky and so far ineffective premiership to take back control.

The OP is entitled to her opinion. It is alas the sneering of Remainers that partly galvanized the Leave vote. I say this as a passionate Remainer who had a front row seat as a semi- neutral observer.

No, this doesn't wash anymore. For every 'sneerer' there are multiples who ask questions, provide answers, and you know... facts.

@Viviennemary has been asked a dozen times what laws she objected to.

So unless the dumbing down of all political discourse, now excludes even asking legitimate questions, we cannot stop challenging those who brought us here.

it am so tired of this trope that remainers sneer, insult and deride.

It has been 9 fucking years. I am sick of it, sick of them and sick of being surrounded by idiots who cannot even dedicate a tiny fraction of their time to at least look at facts.

The emotive BS (as illustrated by OP) around brexit needs to be stamped out. Leaving the EU has been profoundly damaging. I don't care who feels insulted by those of us who want to call it/them out.

BashfulClam · 19/05/2025 16:35

I stood in a passport control queue for about an hour yesterday and I was so angry at leave voters. Without EU rulings we’d have less workers rights. Less food safety standards….so now we get the chance at chlorinated chicken, no free movement and the government in charge of our rights.

Ifpicklesweretickles · 19/05/2025 16:35

Shuttered · 19/05/2025 14:10

The consequences of Brexit have been predictably damaging, and significant numbers of those who voted for it did so on poor or misleading information, and have realised that a UK nirvana hasn’t ensued. The same referendum today would get a different result.

How was it damaging? It was undone by nearly s million new arrivals per year so may as well not have happened.

You are choosing to ignore three years of covid closures and close to a million new arrivals a year to push your agenda.

Inthebleakmidwinter1 · 19/05/2025 16:36

The bottom line is we need immigration to help staff some of our industries. This is an unavoidable economic FACT. So the only remaining question is where you would prefer the necessary immigrants come from? The bottom line is Europe is a good choice and is the most culturally similar to our native population. I just hope he can secure reciprocal rights for our young people.

WestwardHo1 · 19/05/2025 16:36

mummymeister · 19/05/2025 16:32

Coastal fishing communities like the one I live in, have been absolutely sold down the river by Sir Keirs deal. has he ever even visited a coastal fishing community? does he understand how difficult fishing is now with quotas and catch sizes and the over arching need to reduce how much is taken out of our waters?

No of course he fucking doesnt and he doesnt care either. How many fish markets have closed in the past 15/20 years? go on a boat tracker app see how many non UK registered fishing vessels are in our waters, the waters that our own fishing fleet need to be able to fish in and make a living.

Yet another townie who fails to understand how precarious this industry is. Or is he just content to make us dependent on other countries for our fish just as they are for our water quality, our energy needs and our other food needs.

I am absolutely incandescent with rage over this. He should have been shutting the european fleets out not welcoming them in. but hey no one cares if our waters are completely overfished and we lose all of our biodiversity do they.

Don't make the mistake of thinking you're the only one here who knows anything about the fishing industry.

Ihopeyouhavent · 19/05/2025 16:37

I didnt vote OUT! I want IN!!

Cosy, cuddle, take it round the back door for all i care, we need back in.

My kids need to be back in for their future!!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/05/2025 16:37

mummymeister · 19/05/2025 16:32

Coastal fishing communities like the one I live in, have been absolutely sold down the river by Sir Keirs deal. has he ever even visited a coastal fishing community? does he understand how difficult fishing is now with quotas and catch sizes and the over arching need to reduce how much is taken out of our waters?

No of course he fucking doesnt and he doesnt care either. How many fish markets have closed in the past 15/20 years? go on a boat tracker app see how many non UK registered fishing vessels are in our waters, the waters that our own fishing fleet need to be able to fish in and make a living.

Yet another townie who fails to understand how precarious this industry is. Or is he just content to make us dependent on other countries for our fish just as they are for our water quality, our energy needs and our other food needs.

I am absolutely incandescent with rage over this. He should have been shutting the european fleets out not welcoming them in. but hey no one cares if our waters are completely overfished and we lose all of our biodiversity do they.

It's merely an extension of the current arrangements which were originally negotiated by the champions of Brexit. Were you incandescent about the deal that they did then as well? What did you do about it then?

StandFirm · 19/05/2025 16:39

Notonthestairs · 19/05/2025 14:58

"For the majority of the Brexit negotiations we were discussing much, much softer Brexits than today's announcement. In fact, the assumption for most of 2016-18 was that we'd get an EFTA/Norway type arrangement, or something only slightly harder. We ended up with rock-hard, cliff-edge (insert your favourite metaphor from 2019) Brexit, mainly because of internal Tory infighting (and to be fair a little bit because of internal Labour and Lib Dem infighting) and it's disastrous."

Yes @whatisgoingonwithmycareer , its easy to forget that we had alternative options for how Brexit might have worked - and then Theresa May buckled to the ERG headbangers.

Yeah, still angry thinking about her Lancaster House speech.

AllyCart · 19/05/2025 16:39

Viviennemary · 19/05/2025 14:13

I just object to being governed by EU laws and the fact they could overturn decisions made in our courts. I don't want that.

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kLose aRe boAdeRs!!!11!!!!

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 16:40

Koalafan · 19/05/2025 15:28

I most definitely think the best countries to forge cordial links with are our nearest neighbours.

Absolutely.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 19/05/2025 16:40

Ifpicklesweretickles · 19/05/2025 16:35

How was it damaging? It was undone by nearly s million new arrivals per year so may as well not have happened.

You are choosing to ignore three years of covid closures and close to a million new arrivals a year to push your agenda.

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God, the Brexiteers must be so grateful for covid. The timing of it couldn't have been better for them. How helpful to have a global pandemic to be able to blame everything on, rather than your own massive fuck up.

Wherearemymarbles · 19/05/2025 16:40

Dont be an Idiot
Brexit has been a disaster and i reckon if he had another vote we would rejoin

BatchCookBabe · 19/05/2025 16:41

Katherine9 · 19/05/2025 16:30

"Old frog face" - you're so eloquent, I'm sure you'd be a great politician!

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I'm rejoicing in how the staunch Remainers are not only letting their masks slip, but are letting them fall on the floor and smash. They really can't see how bad their attitude is on here, and how rude and vitriolic their posts are. They act like they're superior to Leavers, yet they constantly show much more rudeness, arrogance, and ignorance in their posts, than anyone who voted Leave. Clearly pure bitterness..

And trying to make out that all the beaches in the UK have shit on them, and used condoms and used sanpro, 'because Brexit' is farcical. 😆A couple of biased articles on it does not make all the beaches full of shit - or the rivers full of ecoli. And even if there ARE some beaches and rivers that are polluted, why act like this was never a thing before BREXIT?! 😆

BREXIT is not responsible for the beaches that have all kinds of cack over them. You keep telling yourselves that though, if it makes you feel better about the UK NEVER returning to the EU.

As I said earlier, I am happy to be friends with the EU/do trade deals with them etc, and have closer ties... But rejoin the EU? LOL, no way!

Boomer55 · 19/05/2025 16:41

I think getting closer again is a good idea. 🤷‍♀️

level13dangerzone · 19/05/2025 16:41

While I think this is a good compromise I will be a little disappointed if they bring back free movement, especially as they're already tightening up on every other visa category, I can see that getting worse if they allow free immigration from the EU

Crikeyalmighty · 19/05/2025 16:41

@mummymeister well that’s interesting because so far I’ve heard plenty of the ‘fishing industry’ ( which by the way is 1/10th of the music industry -) saying thank Christ - Brexit was disastrous as they couldn’t export - so whilst it may not work for your bunch of fisherman it works well for others - and to be frank most of the ‘big boys’ in that industry had sold their interests years ago within Europe ‘for the hard cash’ - I find it hilarious that Farage bangs on about it and yet had the lowest attendance record of any MEPs on anything related to it -

we need to do things in the interest of the whole country not just one very small subset - and the UK has sold too much off in last 20 years to have any clout without doing deals

Blueblell · 19/05/2025 16:42

But you can use the egates

Mucholderlittlewiser · 19/05/2025 16:43

Viviennemary · 19/05/2025 14:36

The EU started off as a trade deal only. The EEC. Most folk forget that.

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Then you didn't read the information available when we went into the EEC. Even then closer integration was being discussed.

Tiredalwaystired · 19/05/2025 16:44

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 19/05/2025 16:22

You do know that we have elections every five years where it's possible to change the government? No sane politician would put the country through that divisive shitshow again, but that doesn't mean that we can't forge closer links that will be of benefit to the country.

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Yes exactly.

We havent rejoined so leave voters havent had their vote overturned either.

The important thing to remember though was that the referendum was based on a concept, not details. If there was clearly structured mandate that the referendum was based on then there could maybe be so e valid finger pointing. But no one could agree what brexit was.

So a politician to have the balls to try and do some damage limitation after almost a decade of a failed project is quite refreshing. All we’ve had up to now is lots of “it would have worked if THEY hadn’t sabotaged it” - without the slightest idea of what the “it” was that was sabotaged and no ownership of trying to improve the situation

Quite frankly we should all be cheering for any financial benefits we get out of this deal given the mess we are in.

4444223e · 19/05/2025 16:45

BatchCookBabe · 19/05/2025 16:41

I'm rejoicing in how the staunch Remainers are not only letting their masks slip, but are letting them fall on the floor and smash. They really can't see how bad their attitude is on here, and how rude and vitriolic their posts are. They act like they're superior to Leavers, yet they constantly show much more rudeness, arrogance, and ignorance in their posts, than anyone who voted Leave. Clearly pure bitterness..

And trying to make out that all the beaches in the UK have shit on them, and used condoms and used sanpro, 'because Brexit' is farcical. 😆A couple of biased articles on it does not make all the beaches full of shit - or the rivers full of ecoli. And even if there ARE some beaches and rivers that are polluted, why act like this was never a thing before BREXIT?! 😆

BREXIT is not responsible for the beaches that have all kinds of cack over them. You keep telling yourselves that though, if it makes you feel better about the UK NEVER returning to the EU.

As I said earlier, I am happy to be friends with the EU/do trade deals with them etc, and have closer ties... But rejoin the EU? LOL, no way!

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Ah, yes. The elevated discourse of passive-aggressive emojis, all caps, italics and the ability to disregard the existence of facts because you either don't like or don't understand them. You are doing the leavers proud.

DottieMoon · 19/05/2025 16:45

Brexit was an absolute shit show and has done nothing for the UK and only made things worse.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2025 16:45

mummymeister · 19/05/2025 16:32

Coastal fishing communities like the one I live in, have been absolutely sold down the river by Sir Keirs deal. has he ever even visited a coastal fishing community? does he understand how difficult fishing is now with quotas and catch sizes and the over arching need to reduce how much is taken out of our waters?

No of course he fucking doesnt and he doesnt care either. How many fish markets have closed in the past 15/20 years? go on a boat tracker app see how many non UK registered fishing vessels are in our waters, the waters that our own fishing fleet need to be able to fish in and make a living.

Yet another townie who fails to understand how precarious this industry is. Or is he just content to make us dependent on other countries for our fish just as they are for our water quality, our energy needs and our other food needs.

I am absolutely incandescent with rage over this. He should have been shutting the european fleets out not welcoming them in. but hey no one cares if our waters are completely overfished and we lose all of our biodiversity do they.

Fishing
A new deal will keep the current status quo giving EU boats continued access to UK waters until 2038
The 2020 Brexit deal, which saw the UK regain 25% EU fishing quotas, was due to run out next year
The UK will continue to agree yearly quotas with the EU and Norway and issue licences to control who fishes in its waters
A £360m "fishing and coastal growth fund" to invest in new technology and equipment

The deal merely continues a post Brexit deal on fishing agreed by (checks notes) a Brexiteer, that needed renewing next year anyway.

Thats three.

Turnups · 19/05/2025 16:46

askmenow · 19/05/2025 16:32

What like Germany you mean... now in recession!!! And other EU countries that don't have sufficient jobs for their young....so yes lets import their young to further drive down wages like we did before. Doh!

Why would anyone agree to be a RULE TAKER. Smacks of Labour wanting to sit on their arses and be yes men again given they're no idea to get out of this mess they've made.

Starmer the "Farmer Harmer" and his incompetent chancellor, Rachel from "customer complaints" have a massive black hole to fill... the illegal cross channel migrants don't have the talents to build all these new homes that the government's lauding so they're angling for EU migrants to come across and do excactly that.

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Childish name-calling is an immediate sign of an opinion worth instant dismissal.

Turnups · 19/05/2025 16:48

4444223e · 19/05/2025 16:45

Ah, yes. The elevated discourse of passive-aggressive emojis, all caps, italics and the ability to disregard the existence of facts because you either don't like or don't understand them. You are doing the leavers proud.

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Nicely put!