Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

But they have a democratic mandate (from the election) from the UK public for this. Overwhelmingly so.

Overwhelming clearly means something different to you.

The Brexit vote was more overwhelming than the voters wanting Starmer as PM. Over 50% compared with about a third.

Trade around the world again, eh? Yesss. Previously, the evil Marxist Dictatorship EUSSR forced Britain to buy and sell solely in the EU.

Oh hang on, that's not quite true,id it?

Brexit was only 37% of the electorate.

Starmer only got 20% of the electorate

"The Brexit vote was more overwhelming than the voters wanting Starmer as PM. Over 50% compared with about a third."

That's one way to look at it. Another is only the majority was only 4% on a 72% turnout. Only around 37% if the population wanted to leave and about 35% voted remain.

Labour won 410 ish seats so around 60% of MPs in the houses of parliament

In the 2024 election. about 34% voted for labour compared to 24% for the conservatives which is a 10% margin which based on turnout is more like 6.5% , share of the population.

You might as well argue that the EU referendum of 1975 was more overwhelming than the Brexit one ..

@SinnerBoy "Previously, the evil Marxist Dictatorship EUSSR forced Britain to buy and sell solely in the EU."

Not exactly, but you're close.

The EU had a Common Trade Policy so trade deals with non-EU countries had to be approved by the EU. This meant that The Council of the EU (representing Member States) and the EU Parliament had to approve agreements
(The Council was not elected by the citizens BTW)

But we were still trading independently. What have you got against the protocol, anyway? Do you want to sell cattle prods to the Iranian Secret Police? Or by lead contaminated toys from China?

If you see the Council of the EU as anti-democratic you're going to blow a fuse when you find out about the House of Lords.

The citizens voted for their government ministers who attend the Council of the EU

Brexit was the equivalent of a 12-13 football score - incredibly close. Close enough that a hard Brexit was never warranted, and the fact that Labour were elected on a manifesto which explicitly included closer ties with the EU demonstrates that times have changed.

Didn't May try to get "watered down" Brexit terms but was repeatedly voted down in Parliament, by MPs of ALL parties, which caused her eventually to give up and resign as PM.

Then Boris came in and won a GE with an overwhelming majority on a ticket of "Brexit means Brexit" and that's what happened - a hard Brexit, as he had the GE win behind him.

We'd have already had a "soft" Brexit had the MPs across the chamber worked together to approve a compromise as proposed by May. But the Remainer politicians were basically voting against anything, whether they agreed or not, just to scupper Brexit, and look how that worked out for them!

@Badbadbunny they were voting against anything which would make things worse for the country - which is what all MPs should have been doing. Any Brexit, however ‘soft’ was worse for the country. No amp should have voted for any kind of Brexit in good conscience and in awareness of their responsibilities…And May’s red lines meant no soft Brexit was possible anyway.

Incorrect.
The public does not elect the Council of the EU. The Council of the EU is composed of national ministers from each EU member state, and their appointment is determined by the governments of those countries, not by direct public elections.

Who elected the ministers?
And the national governments?

Edit to add: it’s the same as cabinet ministers. We don’t vote for them to be cabinet ministers, but someone voted for them to be an MP and enough voted for their party to put them in power. By that token we don’t have democracy out of the EU either.

I know all about the House of Lords and it needs to go in it's present form. The question is "what should it be replaced by?" This is why Tony Blair had a shot at reforming the H of L but failed.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/27/house-of-lords-reform

Theresa "maybe" May was a Remoaner Remainer and her husband had connections with the EU in banking.

Mr May had his finger in the pie and helped to persuade his wife to seek a deal with Brussels that could win over Tory Eurosceptics and their allies in the Democratic Unionist Party”, thwarting a plan to get a cross-party deal for a customs union with the EU.

At the same time as this David Davis was Brexit Secretary who was working his backside off to get a good deal for us. After being undermined repeatedly by Mrs May he resigned

Then Boris won an overwhelming GE win on the ticket of hard "brexit means brexit"!

@cardibach "By that token we don’t have democracy out of the EU either."

At least we can control which MPs we vote for but we have no say in who other countries elect,

(Those who voted for Lammy are probably wondering why he can have a 5 day tour of the North Pole?)

A lot of this isn’t my recollection.
May had red lines which prevented a soft Brexit.
There were pictures of Davis turning up to negotiations with no paperwork - the impression was he did no work at all because he thought it would be the easiest deal in history or some such nonsense.

I know plenty about farming and the accounting methods used plus they also get approx £4 billion in subsidy... but its never enough....

The poster i was replying too has openly boasted of the super high returns on lamb, same with milk and beef too... all about maximising profit... no concern for the consumer... but the market has a downturn... they'll be protesting for higher subsidy.
If it were such a loss making business, they wouldn't be driving around in 200k+ tractors and being able to afford to transport them to London in their 1000s.... have you any idea what machinery transport costs are???

We have an IHT system, it should apply equally, as should all taxes but Famers get a much larger threshold and 10 years to pay...

They also voted for Brexit, which did reduced subsidy or they put it "Farm incomes"... talk about shooting yourself in the foot....

I’m in Wales. I have no say in which MPs England elects.
Nobody has a say in the MP any other constituency elects.
What’s the difference?

And how do these national ministers get selected? Who votes them in nationally?

Maybe ask Lord Gove or Lord Frost?

Ah yes, the oven ready deal.

Another Johnson lie

He isnt trying to undo Brexit but being pragmatic with our largest trading partner in the world. The barriers to trade have cost the UK economy billions of pounds already. Whether you voted for brexit or not, this is a fact. Until we sort out this problem, we will continue to have issues.