Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

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I suppose when we were in the EU we didn't really notice the benefits - it is only now we are out with delays to imports, difficulty in travelling, animal regulations, loss of freedom of movement for young people, problems with medicine supply and regulation etc etc.
I voted to remain as did all of my close family ranging in age from 21 to 60+ at the time of the referendum

Whether it's negative or not is really neither here nor there.

Just because it is negative doesn't mean it isn't true.

That was the EEC. It morphed into the EU by stealth with no further referendums. We never voted to join the EU.

But you voted in goverments who had no interest in leaving. If masses of British people wanted to leave, why didn't we get a UKIP Prime Minister?

It is also foolish to expect things not to change and evolve.

None of the main political parties campaigned in GE's of restricting/reducing the march of the EU super-power. Both main parties were fragmented, with factions pro and against, right back to Thatcher's era, but neither actively included "reduced" integration in their manifestos. UKIP only started having any relevance in the late 90s and early 00s so it would have been hard to vote for them in the 80s and 90s!

That’s because we were already a member via the EEC.

Not true.

EEC member states had multiple referendum along the way. We didn't. That was the UK's choice.

Ooh, interesting.

My list, in order is:
David Cameron. A weak, stupid man who gambled the wellbeing of the country for his own personal, political career.
Boris Johnson. A compulsive liar.
Putin
Farage
Those who voted Brexit to piss off the government, the "Liberal Elite",🙄 the middle class etc.
Racists.

Yes, I know what it was. I was quite politically aware even at a young age. There were many treaties and changing bringing us to the EU.

Then we did a stupid thing. We left

The UK is in Europe whether you like it or not
The referendum wasn't about having nothing to do with Europe that is impossible they are our closest neighbours and biggest trading partner.
The deal with the EU is a trading and security deal , we are not going back into the EU .
Posts like the OP make me despair for the education system in the UK, why are so many people so ignorant of basic geography and politics?

The early 2000s were a long time ago... So why did UKIP not get masses of seats? Sure, our electoral system works against small parties, but if people were really so angry about the EU, they could have voted accordingly.

And yes, as per a pp, the UK could have held a referendum on the Treaty of Maastricht etc. They didn't.

I have to say that I do wonder what people who still think leaving was a good idea are thinking. We're poorer, we're weaker, we're smaller. I feel for those business owners who didn't vote for this shitshow but have lost their livelihood because of it.

We'll be getting Farage in 4 years time.

Farage couln't even be bothered to show up for the UK-EU summit statement and debate, to busy holidaying. Priorities

Hopefully by that point the fraud that is populism will have been fully exposed.

I doubt very much we'll be getting Farage... Reform is mired in controversy continually and Farage is an absent MP who can't be arsed to turn up in parliament to debate what he is forever banging on about, and of course kissing Trump's arse whilst neglecting his Clacton constituents and being too much of a scaredy cat to hold constituency face to face surgeries.

I expect enough people will get off their arses and go and vote to prevent that happening.

No we won't, don't be daft.

I doubt it. Reform owned by one man. Unfortunately the one man is Nigel Farage, a workshy grifter. In 4 years time Reform might not even exist, or will exist like UKIP sort of exists. Trump is destroying the RW globally.

Maybe it's because you didn't vote that you didn't see the ballot paper, but the question was never to have nothing to do with Europe. So the government (who was also democracy voted in, by the way) is not reversing anything.

It would be impossible not to have some kind of relationship with the EU.

And we ARE part of Europe, by the way. Leaving Europe was also never on the ballot paper.

Reform is already fracturing. It won't last another 4 years, especially once the councillors who have been elected start showing their true colours. Maybe we'll end up with whatever shitshow party Farage decides to grift with next, though.

Well, it was the UK's politician's choice as the electorate didn't get a say after the initial EEC referendum.

I think we will re join the EU, via EFTA, aka as history repeating itself.

So i think you re wrong, however its not on the agenda at the moment but what happens in Ukraine, the direction Trump takes over NATO, should the Russians win, will change the direction of Europe and the EU, it likely that another republican will again in 2028, so don't expect changes in policy, less chaos perhaps.

No European country can go it alone militarily, a European NATO may happen, UK will be in it, all bets on the UK/EU question will be off.

The only caveat is Reform, if they win, then we are fucked.

We had many GEs, voting in pro EU governments every time... even after Maastricht, Lisbon, large scale migration from eastern europe... still voted in pro EU governments.

Yup. No UKIP governments. Not one. Not even a UKIP MP until very very recently.