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Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

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TheQuirkyMaker · 19/05/2025 11:27

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

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andtheworldrollson · 22/05/2025 13:08

You were wrong and are still wrong and you don’t want to hear it- your choice .

But really the brexit vote made things a lot worse for a lot of people so don’t expect them to respect you not wanting to change things because you had your way and it didn’t work - tough

inkognithia · 22/05/2025 13:17

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brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 13:22

@inkognithia" So here's the truth of the matter and anyone who voted Leave in 2016: you won. We left. But democracy didn't end that day."

You are correct. Democracy had been previously sold down the river when we joined the EU.

You seem to have forgotten about the Labour Leave Eurosceptic group. With Graham Stringer (2010-24, Kelvin Hopkins, Roger Godsiff 2010-19, German born Gisela Stuart (1997-2017) and John Mills who died 6th April aged 86.

Are all those MPs "stupid", "uneducated", "didn't know what they were voting for?" "unpatriotic" - I think not.

Figures aren't accurate but it seems that 3-4 million Labour voters voted Leave.

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 13:24

@inkognithia "Your stance on Brexit is unpatriotic and anti-democratic."

And you think the EU was democratic? I think you need to give your head a wobble.
Even Corbyn thought the EU was undemocratic.

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 13:29

Someone wanted to know about global trade deals since Brexit, so they can read it for themselves here -www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-in-effect

countrygirl99 · 22/05/2025 13:38

A lot of those were simple rollovers of deals we already had in the EU.

MissCharlotteLutterell · 22/05/2025 13:45

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 13:24

@inkognithia "Your stance on Brexit is unpatriotic and anti-democratic."

And you think the EU was democratic? I think you need to give your head a wobble.
Even Corbyn thought the EU was undemocratic.

You may not be aware, but there is a European Parliament. We sent MEPs to it, and they were democratically elected by the people of the UK. The European Parliament is part of the process of making EU laws. Therefore the UK had democratic input into the EU's laws.

Now we have no MEPs and no input into EU laws. Yet the practical reality is that given our geography we need to take notice of EU laws.

Brexit has done the precise opposite of the Brexiteers' slogan. It has turned the UK from being a rule maker to a rule taker.

As I've said before on this thread, this is the sort of post that gives Brexit fans the reputation for being ignorant and stupid because of the lack both of knowledge and of processing power to understand what Brexit has meant.

pointythings · 22/05/2025 13:59

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 12:57

So I'm wrong, again 😆

This sounds like the mood from Remoaners Remainers after the Brexit vote all over again.

It was boring then and it's boring now.

Yawn

When your reaction to a detailed and intelligent post about the benefits of international political and economic collaboration is to go 'lalala I'm not listening ', you should not be surprised if people draw conclusions about your intellectual capacities.

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:14

@MissCharlotteLutterell" You may not be aware, but there is a European Parliament. We sent MEPs to it, and they were democratically elected by the people of the UK. The European Parliament is part of the process of making EU laws. Therefore the UK had democratic input into the EU's laws."

You are mistaken. The UK could only approve or veto new proposals. That is not democracy.

The European Commission is the primary body that proposes EU laws. It has the right of legislative initiative, meaning it is the only EU institution that can initiate new legal acts.
The Commission prepares and proposes new laws, and these proposals are then submitted to the European Parliament and the Council of the European Union for their approval.

Alexandra2001 · 22/05/2025 15:27

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 13:22

@inkognithia" So here's the truth of the matter and anyone who voted Leave in 2016: you won. We left. But democracy didn't end that day."

You are correct. Democracy had been previously sold down the river when we joined the EU.

You seem to have forgotten about the Labour Leave Eurosceptic group. With Graham Stringer (2010-24, Kelvin Hopkins, Roger Godsiff 2010-19, German born Gisela Stuart (1997-2017) and John Mills who died 6th April aged 86.

Are all those MPs "stupid", "uneducated", "didn't know what they were voting for?" "unpatriotic" - I think not.

Figures aren't accurate but it seems that 3-4 million Labour voters voted Leave.

Well, thats not really correct is it?

Since the 1975 referendum on whether to remain or leave the EEC, we had numerous GE's until 1992 and we always voted in pro EEC Govt's, then after Major signed Maastricht, we voted him in again, just a year latter!
We then had the very pro EU Blair, then Brown signed Lisbon and we voted in the pro EU Cameron.

So we had several opportunities to show our displeasure at the EEC/EU yet until Bojo and Farage caused all the anti European feeling (with a pack of lies...) we went for closer co-op with Europe.

It always amuses me that Brexitiers shout "Respect Democracy!" yet always seek to never have another vote or even discuss the issue... seems you only like democracy when it suits you all, fortunately "all" is a rapidly diminishing number.

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:27

@MissCharlotteLutterell "Brexit has done the precise opposite of the Brexiteers' slogan. It has turned the UK from being a rule maker to a rule taker."

That's pants.

After leaving the EU the UK was able to pass the Animal Welfare (Livestock Exports) Bill 2023/24 to ban live exports from UK. The previous government said that the UK’s departure from the EU gave it the freedom to implement such a ban.

So do I gather from your response that you don't support any improvements to Animal Welfare?
You may think I'm a thicko Brexiteer but at least I don't support animal cruelty.

Maybe you should have a think about your views on this ?

Also, the UK has been free to cement the following Trade Agreements ;-

The UK-Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP)
UK-Australia Free Trade Agreement.
UK-New Zealand Free Trade Agreement.
Singapore Digital Economy Agreement.
Japan Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement.

SocialEvent · 22/05/2025 15:30

Oh! I got excited when I saw this thread and through there’d been an announcement.
I’d be so relieved if Starmer did reverse Brexit. It’s been a complete disaster and knocked billions off our national economy.

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:31

@pointythings "When your reaction to a detailed and intelligent post about the benefits of international political and economic collaboration "

Got any more jokes like that?😆

Alexandra2001 · 22/05/2025 15:32

You seem to have forgotten about the Labour Leave Eurosceptic group. With Graham Stringer (2010-24, Kelvin Hopkins, Roger Godsiff 2010-19, German born Gisela Stuart (1997-2017) and John Mills who died 6th April aged 86

Stewart, like Braverman or Farage are total hypocrites!

Stewart came here with almost no restrictions, stayed here, studied here, worked and got married here and then set about making sure that any other young German or a UK citizen wanting to move to Germany, would find it extremely hard to do so.

All 3 took advantage of EU FOM rules and then did the classic "pull the ladder up i'm alright jack"

DuncinToffee · 22/05/2025 15:33

UK-Australia Free Trade Agreement:
The Government's Impact Assessment estimates that the agreement will increase UK GDP by 0.08% or £2.3 billion a year by 2035.

UK-New Zealand Free Trade Agreement:
The Government estimates that the long-run effect will be to increase UK GDP by 0.03% or £800 million by 2035.

Singapore Digital Economy Agreement:
This agreement focuses on ensuring open access to Singapore's digital economy for UK businesses, promoting investment and fair competition.

Japan Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA):
The CEPA is estimated to increase the UK's long-run GDP by 0.07%, which translates to a £1.5 billion increase.

(Google AI)

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:36

DuncinToffee · 22/05/2025 15:33

UK-Australia Free Trade Agreement:
The Government's Impact Assessment estimates that the agreement will increase UK GDP by 0.08% or £2.3 billion a year by 2035.

UK-New Zealand Free Trade Agreement:
The Government estimates that the long-run effect will be to increase UK GDP by 0.03% or £800 million by 2035.

Singapore Digital Economy Agreement:
This agreement focuses on ensuring open access to Singapore's digital economy for UK businesses, promoting investment and fair competition.

Japan Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA):
The CEPA is estimated to increase the UK's long-run GDP by 0.07%, which translates to a £1.5 billion increase.

(Google AI)

And your point is?

None of these deals would have been possible while still in the EU because we needed the approval of 27 (I think) other countries to agree. Naturally the EU would want to keep any deals 'in house'.

spicemaiden · 22/05/2025 15:37

If only he could

DuncinToffee · 22/05/2025 15:39

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:36

And your point is?

None of these deals would have been possible while still in the EU because we needed the approval of 27 (I think) other countries to agree. Naturally the EU would want to keep any deals 'in house'.

Just highlighting how great these deals are. Australia laughed at it live on tv.

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:42

@Alexandra2001 "All 3 took advantage of EU FOM rules and then did the classic "pull the ladder up i'm alright jack" "

Hmmm - a bit like the deputy PM (AKA the Ginger Whinger) who took advantage of the ability to buy her council flat at a discount and then campaigned against against any more sales.
She promised to review the high discounts introduced by the coalition government in 2012, as well as a review to stop newly-built social homes from being sold off.

Notonthestairs · 22/05/2025 15:43

The fairly obvious point about those deals is they do not make up for the losses incurred as a result of Brexit.

PaulKnickerless · 22/05/2025 15:48

The degree to which an ever diminishing minority of brexiteers manage to keep harping on never ceases to amaze me. 🥱

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:48

Notonthestairs · 22/05/2025 15:43

The fairly obvious point about those deals is they do not make up for the losses incurred as a result of Brexit.

You want instant success? Really?

Nothing stopping us making more deals in the future..

We are still the 6th largest economy in the world.

Lampzade · 22/05/2025 15:51

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RareGoalsVerge · 22/05/2025 15:53

cantkeepawayforever · 19/05/2025 11:39

If you could tell me one really good, measurably positive outcome that was only possible because of Brexit, which he is reversing, then I might consider your point carefully.

As it is, I think he is pragmatically trying to mitigate some of the disadvantages that Brexit has inflicted on the country. Which seems to me exactly what an intelligent government - regardless of their moment by moment popularity but given their overall electoral mandate - should do.

I don't think we have the data yet for whether this is measurably positive, but VAT on private school fees was only possible because of Brexit. Taxing education is illegal under EU law.

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:55

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Now that's funny ! 😆😆😆

I'll tell him when he wakes up. zzzz

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