Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

GasPanic · 19/05/2025 11:48

Well he's about to decimate the domestic fishing industry to the benefit of some other groups such as the agricultural sector as a whole.

Well, if by "decimate" you mean carry on allowing EU fishermen access to certain UK waters and and British fishermen access to certain EU waters, as per the last 5 years of Johnson's agreement, well yes, you're right...

That doesn’t support your statement that it will cost us money if we ‘get involved with the EU’ though. Unlike the full OBR analysis that it is costing us money to have left.

Why on earth would we want to get involved with a failing EU Superstate?

We still don't know what the cost of this Starmer deal will be.

We are about to be over-run with thousands of unemployed youth coming here from the EU to "learn English" by eg.working in a bar, Then they get married, have a child and apply to stay. This will be allowed because of their "right to a family life"

And before anyone tells me that it gives UK youth the right to work abroad, please tell me where?

In Feb 2025, Spain had a youth unemployment rate of 26.4%, one of the highest in the EU. This is significantly higher than the EU average of 14.5%, with Germany having the lowest at 6.5%.

In January to March 2025, the youth unemployment rate in the UK for 16-24 year olds was 14.2%, up from 13.2% the previous year. This means there were 620,000 young people unemployed, an increase of 59,000 compared to the previous year,

We have enough problems of our own with youth unemployment without taking in idle beggars from the EU.
There is no mention of a cap or time-limit on this.

So much for cutting immigration !

This deal was supposed to be reviewed and re-negotiated in Jan 2026.

Starmer has given away our control over this.

You’re still not answering my question. An economic analysis, by actual economists, that says ‘getting involved in’ in the EU will cost us money? (I realise your own term is vague enough that economists may have struggled to articulate it but I assume you made your claim based on something as you did say yourself there are differing economic models.)

And I will answer your question about where young British people can work. They can work in the European offices of global businesses to build their careers. They can do summer jobs or spend a year or two working abroad to gain a broader understanding of life or indulge a passion. They can learn languages to set them up for global success. They can work in technology or science or the arts in institutions and businesses that don’t exist in the UK. I don’t struggle to see what opportunities are re-opening for our young people.

It’s a visa scheme on both sides that won’t allow unlimited numbers in either direction.

Sahara123 · 19/05/2025 12:43

I remember seeing one woman quite upset as she didn’t realise that the referendum vote was actually binding.

Tragically, it wasn't binding, it's just that the Government pretended that it was. Had it been so, a number of campaigners would have been in prison and wouldn't have got their fines back. And we wouldn't have left - ar least not without a properly constituted referendum.

The Fishing thing... I want to understand this better.
I try to follow what June Mummery says (pro Brexit pro fishing community campaigner). But she waffles a lot.

From what I can work out, Mummery & similar want this:

...NO or extremely limited access by EU fishing boats to UK territorial fishing waters
...Direct subsidies to UK fishing boat businesses, at least for a limited time /or/
...Far fewer regulations in place nominally to protect fish stocks, so fishing where fishing people like when they like. Instead of govt direct subsidies there would be ample private investment (they believe).
...They would probably endorse fewer health & safety regulations, too.

They don't recognise a threat of stock depletion unless the EU might be doing it. They think it;s ok to bin 90% of their catch if it can't be sold in UK, they aren't asking for access to EU ports, they would just bin all those catches that British people don't eat. They don't value increased access to land UK catches in EU ports which I understand the revised agreement has obtained.

They can work in the European offices of global businesses to build their careers

Where? What qualifications will they need for that? Several languages for a start.

They can do summer jobs or spend a year or two working abroad to gain a broader understanding of life or indulge a passion
And who will be bankrolling them? And how will that give them a job?

They can work in technology or science or the arts in institutions and businesses that don’t exist in the UK
Such as?

It’s a visa scheme on both sides that won’t allow unlimited numbers in either direction.
A cap has not been finalised, so that statement doesn't hold water.

It isn't the big deal that you think.

A friend of mine was fluent in German and French (her mother was German) She got a job at Siemans in the offices. However, her career never took off because she couldn't speak Technical German. This is almost another language.
eg: non return valve = Ruckschlagventil ( sorry my keyboard has no facility for an umlaut on the "U")

Are you serious? British people did all this for years before Brexit moved us all to a visa scheme and cut down opportunities across the board. We know how it works because it worked for years and many people benefited from it. None of the things you mentioned were a barrier and in fact you sound very much like you’re talking down Brits, which I thought a staunch Brexiteer would hate to do.

One person’s experience at Siemens in a specific role doesn’t make for universal application.

Plenty of info here - https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/ten-questions-for-rejoiners/

No, sorry, there is no economic analysis there. It’s a collection of statements with some conjecture. I’m asking for whatever robust economic analysis (modelling ideally) exists that is of equal substance to the work done by the OBR that supports your statement?

Where? What qualifications will they need for that? Several languages for a start.

No. Incorrect. And I know this because of one of my DCs.
Erasmus scheme, followed by working in Europe and fantastic opportunities came about. You really don't need 'several languages' to work in Europe!

Is BrexitBarbie related to Bullshit Barbie who does Trump's pressers?
That BriefingsforBritain website is hilarious hahaha founded and run by a group of Brexiteers

@brexitbarbie I work for a European HQd company with offices around the world. I speak English only.

I know someone who worked for Siemens as a design engineer in 3 different countries in the EU and only had O level French and German.
BIL worked as an architect for Swedish and German companies and has no language qualifications.
A friend worked in manufacturing in the Netherlands. No languages post 16.
Maybe your friend just wasn't good at the job.

@brexitbarbie I reckon your fluent in German friend just wasn't very clever. Learning technical terminology is a matter of doing a bit of work. I'm not a clinician, but I know and can use all the medical terminology relating to mental health and learning difficulties. English is strictly speaking my second language. It really isn't rocket science.

And you trust the OBR - really?

The OBR has no responsibility for “meeting its forecasts” - that is the “responsibility” of the economy (which is subject to shocks, like Covid and the Ukraine war which knock it off course). Having said that, the BBC report shows, out of 15 predictions, six were too pessimistic, eight were too optimistic, and ten were within 2% (above or below) the forecast.

Oh please, please, make us all perfect like you ! 🙄

"Maybe your friend just wasn't good at the job."

And maybe you just like putting people down ?

So you point me to an unbiased source.

If the OBR is so wonderful how come it didn't alert Reeves to the "black hole" in the economy ??

Well, I did golive several examples that counter yours. Sorry if facts aren't convenient.

Sorry if being derogatory about people is your "thing."