Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

Was that because he dissolved the electorate and appointed a new one?

/nichejoke

Close ties can only help, given the orange one’s crazy tariffs. Reciprocal trade with Europe would hopefully not involve major penalties. Does the OP not know the origin of EDF? There are no doubt loads of European companies over here (looking at the Square mile bankers I know) but EDF is, I think, rather huge. I could fancy easier recruitment too, Brexit screwed over my section of teaching.

And of course everything, including rejoining, will be 'worse than before' because we had an excellent deal, 40 years of negotiated concessions and a major seat at the table. All thrown in the bin.

Very interesting - thanks. Even though it's only at 1% in the current vote, it goes up and down a lot but so far the preference for rejoining is consistent.

Overall I was and am of the view that the UK is long term better off out of the EU.

However, that is not the same as saying "nothing to do with" the EU, or Europe.

Of course the UK will have all kinds of relationships and interactions with Europe, from NATO, to making agreements about how to manage travel and trade, and more.

Whether any of these particular things are good or bad will depend on the thing, I expect they'll get some right and some wrong.

Anyway, I am delighted at adults finally being back in the room, and by nothing as much as how ludicrous, dated and stupid that prick Johnson sounded with the exactly identical sub-Wodehouse wankery he has trotted out for years.

If nothing else, there is comfort in being so totally over him, the absolute window.

😂

I expect Nige won't get votes over this, he's trying to undo the mess that Nige caused.

Shush. Don't spoil the persecution complex narrative.

Are you quite alright, op? With 41% of our exports going to and 51% of our imports coming from the EU, are you seriously suggesting that people voted to 'have nothing to do with' Europe? This would be spectacularly stupid, wouldn't it?

OP has not returned. Hopefully it sunk in.

The OP will just be some sort of AI bot. Post a provocative statement as though it's true as a title knowing that's all a lot of people will read. There's quite a lot of it about.

This

Exactly this!

We'll be ripped off and made a fool of again. Worse than before.

That is very, very true. You will be.

But not by the EU.

Brexit, was argued to offer several benefits, including enhanced sovereignty, the ability to negotiate trade deals independently, and greater flexibility in setting domestic policies. Additionally, some argued that Brexit allows for more agile regulatory frameworks and the potential for increased global influence.

Benefits:-
Increased Sovereignty:
Brexit allowed the UK to control its own laws and regulations, including immigration, trade, and environmental policies, without being bound by EU directives.

Starmer has now put us back under the control of the European Court of Justice.
Also we are also now subject to the EU's Carbon Tax.
The trade deal commits UK to emissions caps as industry grapples with sky-high energy costs
Households face higher energy bills under an EU deal that limits Britain’s ability to change its Net Zero rules. It makes it harder for any future government to water down green targets without triggering trade penalties.
Independent Trade Agreements:
The UK can now negotiate trade deals with countries outside the EU, potentially accessing new markets and streamlining trade flows.

Regulatory Flexibility:
The UK government can tailor regulations to suit the UK's specific needs, potentially reducing bureaucratic burdens and promoting innovation.

Control of Finances:
The UK no longer contributes to the EU budget, allowing for the redirection of funds towards domestic priorities.

ODFOD

Good grief. ChatGPT Farage has entered the thread.

So what about the deal we had with France to stop the boats coming over?

We've bunged them £millions and still the dingies keep coming.

Someone isn't holding their end up here....

The thing is, most people don’t care about any of that. They do care about the immense economic damage that Brexit has done our country though. news.sky.com/story/brexit-new-report-suggests-uk-311bn-worse-off-by-2035-due-to-leaving-eu-13046256

I suppose it depends who's crunching the numbers.

The exact magnitude of the economic consequences of Brexit is still a subject of debate, with varying estimates and methodologies.
It's difficult to isolate the effects of Brexit from other economic factors, such as the COVID-19 pandemic and global economic trends.

Several EU economies are facing challenges, with Germany and France experiencing slow growth and political instability, and some countries grappling with high debt and weak economic fundamentals. While some economies like Malta, Spain, and Portugal have seen positive growth, others are struggling to recover from the pandemic and face persistent economic issues

Germany's economy has been described as stagnating, with a lack of growth in recent years. This is attributed to various factors, including a decline in the auto industry, a shortage of skilled workers, and a struggle to adapt to the changing global landscape

Hitching our wagon to any part of the EU is a disaster IMO

Brexit has cost us money and will continue to do so.

It will cost us more money if we get involved with the EU.

Have you seen how many EU countries are in decline?

I’d love to see your economic analysis for that statement.

https://news.sky.com/story/germany-europes-largest-economy-is-facing-a-third-consecutive-year-of-recession-13289549

Several EU countries are experiencing declines in population and economic growth, particularly in Eastern and Southern Europe. These declines are attributed to factors like low birth rates, aging populations, and limited net inward migration, as well as economic challenges faced by some member states