Are parents of 'Trans' children aware of the damage of full affirmation?

[Iloverosesandcarnations]

All children go through a stage of who am I? Confusion etc.

Am I a boy, a girl, do I fit it etc.

The social contagion of affirmation of 'I'm in the wrong body, so need to change it' it IMO so damaging.

Talking through, understanding that all children go through 'who am I'
rather than initial blind affirmation and ok.lrts change your name, clothing etc tell school rush into changes young BEFORE maturation, is so dangerous.

It really isn’t. Just because you keep saying it’s anti trans (and not much else) doesn’t mean it is. You’ve been given various explanations, mainly believing in sex based rights doesn’t make something anti-trans.

You’ve haven’t been able to evidence one thing posted here or elsewhere that constitutes
hate or anti-trans, except that you deem two posters to be anti-trans (and you were asked what not who). I mean it’s not surprising but it’s just boring stating the same thing over and over without being able to evidence what you’re saying.

A much better resource and less discredited would be:
https://sex-matters.org/support-for-parents/

It is as you say essential to support children when they are questioning - but it is also essential to do so based from a place of truth and understanding, not with an agenda to push in one direction.

My profession and educational background would suggest otherwise. But there we go.

I am glad there are some people on the thread with useful input rather than just those frothing at the mouth that someone will call out their nonsense.

Off now to have a great evening out. Have a good evening everyone.

Who are you referencing and where is your evidence?

Yeah I heard it described like a kid saying mother i dont want to eat i look fat. Ok honey starve your self. I am not sure where my DD stands with this as she wants short hair and wears boyish clothes I have told her you can wear what you want have your hair how like but you are a girl. I am not not being blackballed into the ok darling you are a boy please don’t kill yourself. It’s nonsense and im glad people are seeing sense.

I think it’s clear who needs to “learn something”

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I haven't seen any 'hate' on this thread tbh, just concern for children's mental and physical health and concerns for women's rights, and concern for people who feel confused about their gender. How is that remotely hateful?

I've only known of 2 children who thought they were in the wrong body, one who went through therapy, and was allowed to dress gender neutral and at the age of 16 they transitioned with the support of their family. The other child at the age of 13 stated that she was a boy, when asked why, they said that they liked girls therefore they must be a boy, mum was asked if she wanted counselling for herself and child to support etc which was refused, now when we see the mum around town they are wearing trans flags and on SM calling people terfs!

I have educated myself thanks, I'm a bioinformatician, got an msc in systems biology, worked in genomic analysis for 15 years. Are you claiming that intersex conditions don't exist? I suggest you are the one who needs educating because I can assure you sex can very much be ambiguous.

External signifiers of sex can very very occasionally be ambiguous. But not sex itself. It's right there in every cell of your body.

Having a dsd can make external sex characteristics ambiguous but sex itself is never ambiguous. That is one reason why the term 'intersex' is no longer used. There is no such thing as a human who is 'between sexes'. Each dsd is also a dsd of females or of males.
There are only 2 sexes.

They are lesbians so perhaps your daughter’s friend finds this difficult, or perhaps something traumatic happened to her, or she is autistic. It is a shame her parents don’t know what she is going through though, or they know but they all cannot speak about it.

She didn’t say that all children questioned their gender.
She said all children questioned themselves at some point, not necessarily in the sense of whether they’re a boy or a girl, but how they fit in with their peers.
As an example, a girl might struggle to connect with/ relate to other girls and wonder why that is, without necessarily assuming that she’s actually a boy.

Mermaids, which is being investigated by the Charity Commission because of some very worrying failures of data protection and vetting of trustees? Not a great idea.

As for 'it won't be a phase' - 20 years ago the standard clinical approach for working with a child or adolescent with gender issues was watchful waiting, not affirmation. This paid off. Research from that time from many different clinics and researchers indicated that almost all patients grew out of their gender dysphoria as they came through puberty. Because they had had no hormone treatment and no surgery, they could just get on with their adult lives in good health, with unimpaired fertility and cognitive and sexual functions.

Also, there were hardly any of them to start with, and boys outnumbered girls by about two to one. Research on adults who went to gender clinics suggests that there were hardly any adult women transitioning.

Now, you could say that the very small numbers in the past were because there were so few gender clinics and there was stigma against it. But that doesn't explain the sex imbalance, does it? Why have we suddenly flipped in the last 20 years to the point where most under 30s who transition are female, and yet still, with so much less stigma, hardly any older women transition?

We know that social contagions arise from time to time and we know that adolescent girls are particularly susceptible to them. Can we be sure this isn't social contagion, when that is such an obvious explanation for what's happened?

There's been a very determined effort made to stop people pointing these things out, but it's failed, fortunately. These are important questions and they need answers. The lifelong effects of the affirmation approach are potentially so serious that it does raise the question, why are these risks being taken with the health of children and adolescents? How has it happened that so many well-educated people in positions of responsibility, trained in a variety of professions, have failed to spot that the evidence base for the affirmation model is very poor? Why haven't they been able to raise concerns without risking their jobs?

I took this to be a family where there are identical twin daughters and one of them is now identifying as male.

Mermaids - the founder took her own son to be castrated abroad when he was only 16 because when he was a young child her husband thought he might be gay and was repulsed so they spun that he was really a girl.

Now she has to prove her point and drag in other children to validate herself.

So you can't change your biological sex. True. But that's not really the interesting complexity. We don’t know how the brain is initialized so we don’t know why sexuality in its many forms occur, but it does appear to be fairly immutable in adulthood and possibly from a young age.

We do understand why many young people rail against strict gendered norms imposed upon them, and we absolutely should give them the space to explore themselves without the harm of permanent change.

Perhaps even breaking down these gendered stereotypes would help.

Then after this is sorted we will have a very small number of people who are genuinely trans. They can only live in a semblance of peace once permanent changes occur. No rush, a slow careful discussion between them and the medical professionals on how to proceed.

To assume all gender questioning kids are trans is crazy

To assume genuine trans people don't exist is also crazy.

Biology is complicated and we literally don't know the half of it. So we proceed carefully, compassionately and using the best evidence we have at the moment, sure in the knowledge that there is much more to discover. My hope at least.

What utter nonsense, you have no idea what you are talking about.

@akkakk is actually completely correct but I’d be happy for you to explain what you believe to be factually incorrect.

if you are going to refute what someone says, you have to do better than just saying that’s ‘utter nonsense’. It’s meaningless without qualification.

You may not be a scientist but honestly you have access to Google and could see for yourself that you are quite wrong. The genes and chromosomes that give rise to the 'external signifiers' are the very things that are in every cell of your body. So for example, if you had XY chromosomes, but the Y chromosome was missing the gene responsible for the majority of male sex characteristics, as can happen, you may very well have ambiguous external signifiers, and your sex would also be ambiguous.
Sex characteristics can be determined by chromosomes, by individual genes on those chromosomes, by genes responsible for producing hormones, and by genes responsible for hormone receptors. None of those things on their own can be used to determine sex with 100% accuracy. Any one or more of those things can have abnormalities.

It is factually incorrect to say that all intersex conditions are abnormalities to a base sex.
Google it.

And while you're at it Google Brandolini's Law

By very definition they have to be
there are only two biological sexes - male and female, the very use of the original word intersex was because those with abnormalities were recognised as not presenting 100% as male or 100% as female, so were seen as ‘inter’ or between the two sexes

As the starting point or norm is the two base sexes, any abnormalities have to be to someone who would otherwise have been male or female - they are abnormalities to one of the two base sexes

to be different to that would only be possible if there was a third (or more) alternative to the sexes which we know to not be true.

everyone with a DSD is still either male or female but presenting with abnormalities - those may be simple as a male with slightly deformed genitals or similar for a female or they might be complex enough to make it challenging to understand - but no scenario stops the core biology of two sexes and therefore each such person being either boy or girl.

And while you're at it Google Brandolini's Law

A superb reminder of how little effort it took for all the lies and mistruths about being able to allow you to change sex - and the disproportionate effort it is requiring to bring society back to being based on truth and reality - and to think first to safeguard our children and women

but despite the huge impact of such deceptions such as a man being able to become a woman - it will be worth the huge effort needed to reset back to truth - to stop a small number of men oppressing women, to stop children being abused and mutilated in a false belief that they will be happier pretending to be in the body of the other sex

thank you for that reminder.