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Are parents of 'Trans' children aware of the damage of full affirmation?

402 replies

Iloverosesandcarnations · 19/05/2025 11:15

All children go through a stage of who am I? Confusion etc.

Am I a boy, a girl, do I fit it etc.

The social contagion of affirmation of 'I'm in the wrong body, so need to change it' it IMO so damaging.

Talking through, understanding that all children go through 'who am I'
rather than initial blind affirmation and ok.lrts change your name, clothing etc tell school rush into changes young BEFORE maturation, is so dangerous.

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:36

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/05/2025 18:34

I’m reading the thread fine, I’m not sure you are though. I can comprehend that one can’t change sex. You stated something (repeatedly), back it up.

Don't worry, they've acknowledged they are talking rubbish l, because my responses using their own words are "particularly weird" apparently.

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:39

TheKeatingFive · 19/05/2025 18:34

What about the people whose children are in the thick of this who need to understand the full gamut of experiences, not just the 'official narrative'?

Yes what about those people? They really don't need this anti trans brigade telling them how they should respond to their child and attempting to tell them to not accept their child.

Taytayslayslay · 19/05/2025 18:39

Iloverosesandcarnations · 19/05/2025 11:15

All children go through a stage of who am I? Confusion etc.

Am I a boy, a girl, do I fit it etc.

The social contagion of affirmation of 'I'm in the wrong body, so need to change it' it IMO so damaging.

Talking through, understanding that all children go through 'who am I'
rather than initial blind affirmation and ok.lrts change your name, clothing etc tell school rush into changes young BEFORE maturation, is so dangerous.

I mean, not all kids question their gender? I never once questioned if I was a girl or boy. I knew I was a girl and was happy to be feminine.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/05/2025 18:39

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:36

Don't worry, they've acknowledged they are talking rubbish l, because my responses using their own words are "particularly weird" apparently.

I find it more weird to wade onto a thread, offer little to the discussion except accusations of hate and anti-trans-ness (that can never be evidenced as there are none), try and dictate where this ‘hateful’ discussion should be taking place, and that they are being forced to open and read such a thread.

Wild.

TheKeatingFive · 19/05/2025 18:40

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:39

Yes what about those people? They really don't need this anti trans brigade telling them how they should respond to their child and attempting to tell them to not accept their child.

What do you think is 'anti trans' on here?

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:41

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:36

Don't worry, they've acknowledged they are talking rubbish l, because my responses using their own words are "particularly weird" apparently.

I am a she not a they. And no I didn't. I indicated that your comments and responses are weird. Perhaps read just your posts in order and see how they read on a stand alone basis. Once again - comprehension not your strong point I guess.

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:42

TheKeatingFive · 19/05/2025 18:40

What do you think is 'anti trans' on here?

Well for a start 2 of the posters on here are.

CantStopMoving · 19/05/2025 18:42

Bobafett2020 · 19/05/2025 17:59

"Mumsnet is not anti-trans" lol

It isn’t. I haven’t actually seen any anti trans posts pretty much ever

what I have constantly seen is support for sex based rights.

the general consensus is you can dress how you like and present yourself to the world however you see fit and you shouldn’t face any discrimination because you present as trans. What you can’t do is change sex though and so ultimately you always remain as the sex you were born. It is quite a straightforward fair position that balances everyone’s rights.

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TheKeatingFive · 19/05/2025 18:44

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:42

Well for a start 2 of the posters on here are.

Are what?

FuckityFux · 19/05/2025 18:46

Tradersinsnow · 19/05/2025 11:47

We did all the discussions, worked with a neutral psychologist, consulted with their psychiatrist. Suicide was a very real risk at a few points.

My son is now my daughter and we're confident we did everything possible to explore the issues that led to her living as a woman.

It really isn't as simple as sitting down and chuntering on about your GC views. Your kid's not suddenly going to go oh so Glinner really is right about this shit.

He’s still your son, he hasn’t changed sex. 🤷🏻‍♀️

My son was a suicide risk and I even had several phone calls home to ensure I was aware of what he’d been saying at school and elsewhere etc. Offers of ‘support’ from trans captured organisations.

Thankfully, he’s grown up a bit in the last couple if years and fully accepts that he’s an autistic gay man.

What will you say to your son when he finally breaks free of this ‘wrong body’ nonsense?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 19/05/2025 18:46

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:27

Just saying stick it in Feminism where all those who want to post their anti trans threads know where to find them and can join in and all those who would like to jot have them come up at all in their feeds can hide the board.

But what are you so afraid of? If it is all nonsense , why should you be so exercised about it being read and discussed?

CantStopMoving · 19/05/2025 18:47

Taytayslayslay · 19/05/2025 18:39

I mean, not all kids question their gender? I never once questioned if I was a girl or boy. I knew I was a girl and was happy to be feminine.

Yeah I never went though anything like that. I never even questioned my sexuality. I appreciate many children do have to give a lot of thought to these things but I would have thought it doesn’t cross the minds of the great majority. Not everyone’s teenage years are full of angst.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:47

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:41

I am a she not a they. And no I didn't. I indicated that your comments and responses are weird. Perhaps read just your posts in order and see how they read on a stand alone basis. Once again - comprehension not your strong point I guess.

Sorry, SHE, can't assume.

It's your comprehension I and several other posters are worried about.

No one on here is saying don't accept your trans child. We're simply saying there shouldn't be an affirmation when they say they are in the "wrong" body that they are in fact wrong.

It's also not anti-trans to say biologically there are two sexes and they cannot be changed, and so telling people they can change is a lie.

People here are talking about facts and raising legitimate concerns. You are making wild accusations you're unable to back up.

If you want to engage in a debate, by all means. But engage, don't just spout hate.

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:48

TheKeatingFive · 19/05/2025 18:44

Are what?

What do you think is 'anti trans' on here?

Answer : 2 of the posters on here are anti-trans.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/05/2025 18:48

CantStopMoving · 19/05/2025 18:42

It isn’t. I haven’t actually seen any anti trans posts pretty much ever

what I have constantly seen is support for sex based rights.

the general consensus is you can dress how you like and present yourself to the world however you see fit and you shouldn’t face any discrimination because you present as trans. What you can’t do is change sex though and so ultimately you always remain as the sex you were born. It is quite a straightforward fair position that balances everyone’s rights.

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Precisely this. I think some posters should look at their own comprehension ability if they think this is anti-trans.

proximalhumerous · 19/05/2025 18:48

I'm maybe not comparing like with like, but there are many, many things that teenagers think are "right" (based largely on how they feel) that sensible parents would not allow. I'm not convinced this is fundamentally different.

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:49

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:47

Sorry, SHE, can't assume.

It's your comprehension I and several other posters are worried about.

No one on here is saying don't accept your trans child. We're simply saying there shouldn't be an affirmation when they say they are in the "wrong" body that they are in fact wrong.

It's also not anti-trans to say biologically there are two sexes and they cannot be changed, and so telling people they can change is a lie.

People here are talking about facts and raising legitimate concerns. You are making wild accusations you're unable to back up.

If you want to engage in a debate, by all means. But engage, don't just spout hate.

The irony 🤣🤣

soupycustard · 19/05/2025 18:50

Being concerned about a form of male rights activism that is having a particularly damaging effect on young, often neurodiverse, people isn't 'anti-trans'.
There is certainly some 'anti-male' feeling sometimes, but that is because the main issue of concern in terms of wider society is the use by males of females' rights.
Females need specific sex-based rights in order to take an equal part in society so when males show male entitlement and aggression against females trying to protect those rights, it's not a great look, and is a red flag where safeguarding is concerned.
There is also a world of difference between the many older trans identified males who flaunt their male entitlement, and vulnerable young girls with mental health issues for whom trans is equivalent to other forms of symptom like self-harm, or illness like anorexia. Just look for example at the difference between Robin Moira White and Elliott Page.

Rosie8880 · 19/05/2025 18:51

Iloverosesandcarnations · 19/05/2025 11:45

Yes I agree, especially when lots of children appear to be saying the sane thing and you can see other parents 'supporting' the change of gender. You don't want to get it wrong.

A parent of a trans kid will be going through so much - for a child who is trans, it won’t be a “phase” - it will be lifelong, constant, persistent trauma until they find a way to be themselves. Their will be mental health assessments, doctors, psychologists - so many other people involved in supporting parent and kid.

for any parents experiencing this - resources here/

https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/families/resources-for-parents/

Resources for Parents - Mermaids

Need support now? Contact our support line or webchat. How Do I Best Support My Transgender Child? Knowing how to support and advocate for your child when they’ve come out as transgender can feel overwhelming. One of our mums, Sarah, shares her journey...

https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/families/resources-for-parents/

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:52

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/05/2025 18:48

Precisely this. I think some posters should look at their own comprehension ability if they think this is anti-trans.

Ah, this is like the "I'm not racist but" type of poster; the ones that are anti trans but insist they aren't posting in an anti trans manner.

Just because you keep saying this thread is not anti trans doesn't make it so.

HeronTwist · 19/05/2025 18:52

TheKeatingFive · 19/05/2025 12:20

So just because you didn't go through it no-one else did? Seriously?

Kids are being harmed by this. Time to wake up.

The OP does heavily imply that we all go through an ‘am i a boy, am I a girl?’ phase.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:52

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:49

The irony 🤣🤣

Yeah it's definitely your comprehension that's the problem.

You are aware that the word "they" means "person of unspecified sex" or "group of people". I didn't know your sex, you are therefore unspecified sex, I used they.

You have anything else to show you don't understand?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:53

HeronTwist · 19/05/2025 18:52

The OP does heavily imply that we all go through an ‘am i a boy, am I a girl?’ phase.

They implied kids go through a phase of question what they are and what they can be.

CantStopMoving · 19/05/2025 18:53

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:52

Ah, this is like the "I'm not racist but" type of poster; the ones that are anti trans but insist they aren't posting in an anti trans manner.

Just because you keep saying this thread is not anti trans doesn't make it so.

Just because you keep saying this thread is anti trans doesn't make it so.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/05/2025 18:54

Spirallingdownwards · 19/05/2025 18:52

Ah, this is like the "I'm not racist but" type of poster; the ones that are anti trans but insist they aren't posting in an anti trans manner.

Just because you keep saying this thread is not anti trans doesn't make it so.

Just because you keep saying it is anti-trans also doesn't make it so.

All it does is show you have a lack of understanding of complex issues.