Are parents of 'Trans' children aware of the damage of full affirmation?

[Iloverosesandcarnations]

All children go through a stage of who am I? Confusion etc.

Am I a boy, a girl, do I fit it etc.

The social contagion of affirmation of 'I'm in the wrong body, so need to change it' it IMO so damaging.

Talking through, understanding that all children go through 'who am I'
rather than initial blind affirmation and ok.lrts change your name, clothing etc tell school rush into changes young BEFORE maturation, is so dangerous.

Biological reality and the discussion around it isn’t anti-trans.

Thanks for my big claps.

Not shutting it down.

Just suggesting hate should be posted elsewhere where we don't have it force fed down our throats.

Quote ‘the hate’.

This is not anti anything, and not a single person made you read it. You chose to open it and chose to engage. You didn't have to.

And for the record, wouldn't matter where it was. I found it from the trending section.

You don't want to discuss, fine, off you pop. Those of us that do want to talk about our concerns for the wellbeing of our children will do so where we like. Much like you do with things that we probably don't agree with or aren't interested in.

Because we have opinions too.

You also don’t have to open threads.

Love to see all of this 'every piece of legitimate research'...

And your evidence that there is no such thing as social contagion (despite the billions spent by social media companies in using algorithms designed to exactly do that - drive social contagion!)

force fed... mmm, let me think...

on the one hand we have mumsnet where all are free to join or not / read or not and can even be selective in what they read...

on the other we have organisations such as stonewall who have forcefed a pack of lies to organisations around the country / closed down discussions / lied about legislation and interpreted it the way they would like it to be

I think we can all understand where force-feeding has happened!

A lot of gender dysphoria therapists are entirely affirming, and don't deal with de-transitioning. Even more general counsellors tend to be affirming, finding a therapist who would in anyway challenge the young person's thinking on gender identity is really hard.
We were fortunate that DC1 accepted our position of seeing how they felt at 18, and buying more "feminine" clothes for them. I know both sides will be rolling their eyes, but we're happy to affirm their non-binary identity they've currently settled on.

Time will tell but just as those will roll the eyes at our position, I roll mine at the belief you can just talk a young person out of it with facts. I also don't support instant affirmation/non-challenging. So I'll happily take the hits from both sides.

Oops I was distracted mid post . Too many eye rolls

Just saying stick it in Feminism where all those who want to post their anti trans threads know where to find them and can join in and all those who would like to jot have them come up at all in their feeds can hide the board.

Link to "every piece of legitimate research", please.

Not a trans parent but a trans aunt. And they are the happiest I have ever seen them, several years in.

The same goes for my two other trans friends.

Why does your preference trump the preference of the people on this thread?

But if he is ‘happy’ whilst using the female changing rooms, accessing female healthcare, playing in the female team or competing in female sports, there are going to be lots of real women who are very unhappy, threatened and even physically hurt.

One man’s rights don’t trump the rights of every natal woman, however ‘happy’ it may make him.

We’ll discuss biological reality here thanks.

Any evidence of this hate/anti-trans-ness?

Good. I'm glad they're happy. They deserve to be happy.

Provided they aren't trampling everyone else's rights to get their happiness.

Because everyone deserves to be happy and feel safe.

I chose to open it and make a comment to reaffirm that there are other boards this could have been placed on . If people stopped tagging me then I wouldn't respond. But I have to say your series of responses are particularly weird.

"... live their lives with a different gender identity ..."

But ... but ...

As Alex Byrne (Professor of Philosophy at MIT) pointed out over five years ago, "If there is some kind of “gender identity” that is universal in humans, and which causes dysphoria when mismatched with sex, it remains elusive. No one has yet found a way of detecting its presence ..."

To my knowledge, this state affairs still pertains.

Just as a matter of fact, there is no such thing as gender identity.

I know some people believe there is, just as some believe in guardian angels. No harm, as long as they don't expect to be able to force their strange beliefs on others.

Let me say this again, just for emphasis: there is no such thing as gender identity. Really, there isn't. No such thing. Not at all.

How long was she on testosterone for? How long did it take between starting to transition and realising she wanted to de-transition? At what age did she start and at what age detransition?

I think this sort of data is so important. We need to build a full picture of what is actually happening to teens who are too easily 'supported' unquestioningly.

Mine are weird because...?

Is it because I'm quoting your own nonsense back at you?

You clearly aren't reading the thread properly or have poor comprehensive skills if you can't even see it in this actual thread.

Once they buy into it, they cannot admit they were wrong and damaged their child so they have to double down.

What about the people whose children are in the thick of this who need to understand the full gamut of experiences, not just the 'official narrative'?

I’m reading the thread fine, I’m not sure you are though. I can comprehend that one can’t change sex. You stated something (repeatedly), back it up.

It's pretty tiring to see repeated threads with titles like this one - 'are parents of trans children aware...?'. The implication of the comments is that lots of parents are just leaping into affirming anything their child comes up with aged 8 - I think it was OP who used the words 'woke' and 'pandering'. Lots of parents of children who identify as trans have thought very hard about how best to respond to an incredibly difficult situation and fully thought about all the risks. The implication that we haven't is really offensive.

'Scrolling past' is an option, yes. But if you actually want to know what parents of teans children think, they can't just ignore your threads. And what they seem to think is 'we have thought about it and your opinions and discussions about us and our children are tedious and offensive'.

There are risks to doing nothing and hoping it just goes away. There are risks to shutting your child down by, every time they talk to you about their distress, explaining your views of biology to them. Doing nothing isn't neutral - it's a choice.

I'm really encouraged to see other parents who have had the same challenges here. I'd be happy to talk about the risks and potential harms with them, because they've had to consider them in context. But not with people who aren't interested in why I've made the very difficult choices I have.