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Are parents of 'Trans' children aware of the damage of full affirmation?

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Iloverosesandcarnations · 19/05/2025 11:15

All children go through a stage of who am I? Confusion etc.

Am I a boy, a girl, do I fit it etc.

The social contagion of affirmation of 'I'm in the wrong body, so need to change it' it IMO so damaging.

Talking through, understanding that all children go through 'who am I'
rather than initial blind affirmation and ok.lrts change your name, clothing etc tell school rush into changes young BEFORE maturation, is so dangerous.

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Annoyedone · 20/05/2025 16:28

Bobafett2020 · 19/05/2025 23:45

Intersex conditions are rare, as are trans people. In fact they occur at roughly the same rate in the population.

I think any more discussion here is pointless. You are repeating things which are objectively false. Yes there are two sexes. But also, some people do not fit into either of those categories. To say that an intersex person must be (e.g.) male with abnormalities rather than intersex would be offensive. I am not going to argue with you any further.

So what sex is an intersex person?

ScrollingLeaves · 20/05/2025 16:37

akkakk · 20/05/2025 16:26

A good article to read - it is why I posted towards the top of this thread the challenges we have with the system / society / schools / captured organisations / etc. - very often a parent has lost all influence. There are ways which work for some parents such as reaffirming that you can be any shape of boy / girl you wish, but can't change - but the strength of the message that you are trans and need surgery is a weight pressing down on the situation - put there by activists with dubious intent and piled on top by all the organisations who should be supporting both child and parent (schools / GPs / NHS / mental health / charities / government / commercial companies etc.) every organisation which stands up for the deceptions which society has been fed shares a part of the responsibility for that pressure / part of the responsibility for the lack of safeguarding / part of the responsibility for the child abuse that our society has allowed to take place...

So well said, thank you.

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 17:55

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 15:42

I just came across this piece on X which feels very relevant to this thread. It's a hard, but empathetic read.

https://genspect.org/the-narrative-around-affirming-parents-doesnt-tell-the-full-story/

"And the people who had those answers, or claimed to, were very clear: “Your child is transgender. The earlier you affirm, the better their outcomes. The risk of suicide is high. Would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?”

Imagine hearing that from a licensed therapist, someone you’ve trusted to keep your child alive. Imagine hearing it over and over again."

These families have been lied to by professionals. The professionals should be struck off for the lies and the damage inflicted on these families. One day, there will be accountability. However, you cannot reattach butchered breasts or undo the trauma. The ideology and the professionals pushing their agenda disgust me.

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Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 18:06

This is a lesson to others. Slow down. Don't believe the lies about suicide. Don't end up with a child full of regrets and sold a lie with a butchered body and trauma.

"She was doing what she believed she had to do, clinging to the promise that this would bring me peace.

But it did not.

The dysphoria remained. The anxiety persisted. The sense of alienation in my own skin worsened. No one told us that “gender-affirming care” often does not resolve the underlying pain—it just gives it new contours.

The truth no one wanted to say out loud was that a traumatized, self-loathing child cannot be made whole by surgery. And while my mother celebrated alongside me, deep down, I think she knew something was still wrong.

It would be easy for me to blame her. And for a long time, I did. There were nights I lay awake, replaying conversations, remembering the appointments, the prescriptions, the hospital room where I woke up with my chest wrapped in bandages. I wanted to scream, “Why didn’t you protect me?”

But as I’ve grown older, I’ve come to realize that my mother, too, was a victim of this system—a system that preys on parental love and fear, a system that frames unquestioning medicalization as the only compassionate response, a system that leaves no room for nuance, uncertainty, or alternatives.

We need to have honest conversations about that system—and about the parents trapped inside it.

Because here is the uncomfortable truth: loving, well-intentioned parents are being manipulated into consenting to irreversible interventions for their children—not because they are selfish, abusive, or craving validation, but because they have been told that the only alternative is death. The medical establishment, activist organizations, and even mainstream media have created a moral panic that weaponizes suicide statistics and reduces complex human struggles to a simplistic, binary choice.

And yet, when these children grow up and express regret—as more and more of us are doing—we often direct our fury at the parents. We shame them. We call them monsters. We demand to know how they could let this happen. But rarely do we stop to ask who else was in the room, who handed them the consent forms, who framed affirmation as a life-or-death necessity, who profited from it.

In recent years, we have finally begun to see cracks in the gender medicine establishment. Major health systems in the UK, Sweden, Finland, and elsewhere have paused or restricted medical transition for minors, citing a lack of long-term data and growing evidence of harm. Whistleblowers have come forward. Detransitioners like me have spoken out. The conversation is shifting—slowly, painfully—but shifting nonetheless.:

I wish more children and parents and professionals would read this.

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soupycustard · 20/05/2025 18:12

Just look at all the self-harming scars on that poor girl's arms and stomach. And thoughtless (at best), corrupt at worst, medics really thought that surgery would be the only answer.

user1471471849 · 20/05/2025 18:41

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 15:42

I just came across this piece on X which feels very relevant to this thread. It's a hard, but empathetic read.

https://genspect.org/the-narrative-around-affirming-parents-doesnt-tell-the-full-story/

A harrowing but important read. This whole thing reminds me of the lobotomies that took place in the 1950s. A member of my family had one done in the 50s when she was 16. She was probably just depressed (very clever and stuck in a factory job) but convinced her parents she needed this done and had a frontal lobotomy. They trusted authority too much and let her do it but it had devastating effects. She was never able to look after herself after this and depended on her siblings for care for the rest of her life. They were guilt ridden. Her parents were lovely people but too trusting of the medical profession at the time. It's fair to say the effects of her surgery were felt by every member of my family and still have an effect 3 generations on.

I would implore parents not to do anything that has long term, irreversible consequences- no binders, hormone therapy, surgery. My heart goes out to anyone who finds themselves trying to deal with this with their own child.

BundleBoogie · 20/05/2025 19:14

Doseofreality · 19/05/2025 12:39

OP, and your qualifications for making this judgement are?

I’d say being a sane adult who know the facts of life. What more does she need?

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 19:59

@Doseofreality

have a read of this from a young person. Perhaps first do no harm.

I work with young people. Confused, vulnerable, mixed up young people who listen to the lies of changing gender will fix everything. It really doesn't.

https://genspect.org/the-narrative-around-affirming-parents-doesnt-tell-the-full-story/

The Narrative Around Affirming Parents Doesn't Tell the Full Story — Genspect

We have all seen the photo: a mother stands proudly beside her child, grinning with one arm around her daughter, who bears the fresh scars of a mastectomy. This is not a singular image; it is a genre. Sometimes, there are other scars too. Sometimes, on...

https://genspect.org/the-narrative-around-affirming-parents-doesnt-tell-the-full-story/

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LittleMG · 20/05/2025 20:00

I think you seem to be quite judgmental

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 20:09

LittleMG · 20/05/2025 20:00

I think you seem to be quite judgmental

Have you read the story of the young person above. Their own story, in their words. It's sad. Try reading it.

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BundleBoogie · 20/05/2025 20:30

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 19/05/2025 13:33

Come back when you have some experience and let me know how it works out for you.

But going along with the lie that they can change sex, or ignore their biology is just kicking the can down the road and storing up even worse trouble for the future. When the child matures and realises what they’ve done to themselves is going to break so many people.

I agree that it’s hugely difficult, maybe impossible for some parents and I gave huge sympathy for those (not the ones keen on transition their kids for attention or kudos though, they are just abusive).

I don’t know the right way to get to a solution but I know it’s not affirmation.

smallstitch · 20/05/2025 20:33

MonteStory · 19/05/2025 12:18

I never went through an ‘am I a boy’ phase. What nonsense.

Can we move this to the transphobia board and not clog up AIBU with this shite?

You didn’t.

Plenty of people do, including me (correction - I didn’t think “am I a boy” more “I really want to be a boy”)
I actually dread to think what I might have done to myself if trans ideology had been a thing back then, and I’d been told I was “born in the wrong body” and could become a boy if I took pills and had bits chopped off. I’d have totally bought into it.
I cried for days when my dm took me bra shopping, often told kids I met down the park that I was a boy, always had short hair, put socks down my trousers…the list goes on.

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 20:33

"I have had long, difficult conversations with my mother since I detransitioned. We have cried together. We have apologized. We have tried to make sense of what happened and what it cost both of us. It has not been easy. Some wounds cannot be fully healed. But I have seen her heart, and I know it was never malicious. It was frightened, exhausted, and misled." Young person's words.

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PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:33

BundleBoogie · 20/05/2025 20:30

But going along with the lie that they can change sex, or ignore their biology is just kicking the can down the road and storing up even worse trouble for the future. When the child matures and realises what they’ve done to themselves is going to break so many people.

I agree that it’s hugely difficult, maybe impossible for some parents and I gave huge sympathy for those (not the ones keen on transition their kids for attention or kudos though, they are just abusive).

I don’t know the right way to get to a solution but I know it’s not affirmation.

"I don't know the right way to get a solution...."

Maybe keep your opinion to yourself until you do then.

This thread is so patronising, full of people with lots of ideas and zero experience.

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 20:35

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:33

"I don't know the right way to get a solution...."

Maybe keep your opinion to yourself until you do then.

This thread is so patronising, full of people with lots of ideas and zero experience.

Actually it isn't. Try reading what people are saying. Try reading the stories of young people who have been done immense harm. Open your ears to them.

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TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 20:39

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:33

"I don't know the right way to get a solution...."

Maybe keep your opinion to yourself until you do then.

This thread is so patronising, full of people with lots of ideas and zero experience.

Well, I've shared my family member's experience upthread. She transitioned and detransitioned. At serious cost to her health.

I just don't think people want to engage with experiences like hers unfortunately. But her experience matters too.

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:41

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 20:35

Actually it isn't. Try reading what people are saying. Try reading the stories of young people who have been done immense harm. Open your ears to them.

Edited

It is actually very patronising to assume that parents, who are actually going through this, need the likes of you to tell us to try reading, as if we aren't doing absolutely every bit of research we can.

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:42

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 20:39

Well, I've shared my family member's experience upthread. She transitioned and detransitioned. At serious cost to her health.

I just don't think people want to engage with experiences like hers unfortunately. But her experience matters too.

Who said it didn't matter?

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 20:47

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:42

Who said it didn't matter?

Well a huge amount of people seem to want to sweep it under the carpet. My family member has been pretty much abandoned by the online communities that championed her transition. The medical profession are just shrugging their shoulders and (seemingly) hoping she goes away.

Her experience as someone in the process of transition / someone who transitioned has been radically different to her experience as a detransitioner.

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 20:53

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 20:47

Well a huge amount of people seem to want to sweep it under the carpet. My family member has been pretty much abandoned by the online communities that championed her transition. The medical profession are just shrugging their shoulders and (seemingly) hoping she goes away.

Her experience as someone in the process of transition / someone who transitioned has been radically different to her experience as a detransitioner.

I'm really sorry your daughter has been treated like this. Detransitioners shunned does seem to be a pattern in what detransitioners say. No longer part of the group. Some won't hear that mistakes have been made and vulnerable young people pushed towards believing they can change their sex. Some just cannot face that mistakes have been made so deny it, shut it down, ignore it, or abuse people who tell their story.

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user1471471849 · 20/05/2025 20:55

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:41

It is actually very patronising to assume that parents, who are actually going through this, need the likes of you to tell us to try reading, as if we aren't doing absolutely every bit of research we can.

I understand why you might feel like that. But what do you want us to do? Say nothing and act like it's a great idea for kids to transition? We've been all told to be quiet about this for so long and thankfully there is a way to communicate about it on mumsnet. People on this site have been following the issue for years and a lot of them are well versed on the dangers and realities of the trans ideology. I'm really sorry if it's upsetting to hear these opinions but we're trying to help and speak truthfully.

Lins77 · 20/05/2025 20:55

Not read whole thread but I do think that for many young people there is definitely a social contagion element.

My daughter aged about 14 was surrounded by trans/non-binary schoolmates and for a short time decided she was really a boy. It didn't last long at all and was quietly forgotten about. Definitely a "fashion" thing in her case and wanting to be edgy, alternative or whatever. (The irony being that loads of them were doing it so it really wasn't that alternative at all.) I don't mean to be offensive to those with different experiences, but I do suspect a lot of those schoolkids will not persist in their "trans identities".

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:55

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 20:47

Well a huge amount of people seem to want to sweep it under the carpet. My family member has been pretty much abandoned by the online communities that championed her transition. The medical profession are just shrugging their shoulders and (seemingly) hoping she goes away.

Her experience as someone in the process of transition / someone who transitioned has been radically different to her experience as a detransitioner.

No point quoting me, I've read and watched the stories of hundreds of detransitioners, and spoken to many who have detransitioned, at all points of their transition.

I am 100% full aware of all the issues, despite many on this thread thinking they are experts because they read an article or two.

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 20:58

Iloverosesandcarnations · 20/05/2025 20:53

I'm really sorry your daughter has been treated like this. Detransitioners shunned does seem to be a pattern in what detransitioners say. No longer part of the group. Some won't hear that mistakes have been made and vulnerable young people pushed towards believing they can change their sex. Some just cannot face that mistakes have been made so deny it, shut it down, ignore it, or abuse people who tell their story.

Edited

Sorry just to be clear, she's my cousin's child, not my daughter.

But yes, I expect her experience makes a lot of people uncomfortable and so they don't engage.

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2025 21:00

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 20/05/2025 20:55

No point quoting me, I've read and watched the stories of hundreds of detransitioners, and spoken to many who have detransitioned, at all points of their transition.

I am 100% full aware of all the issues, despite many on this thread thinking they are experts because they read an article or two.

Well I'm speaking from bitter experience unfortunately.

I'm not saying anything about your reaction, but how people in general react.

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