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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:08

There is a back story to this thread that we are not seeing. Op seems to be saying she wants to move back home, and misses her family terribly. It is easy enough to relocate, millions of people do, so why are they still there?

It seems to me that you are staying there to keep your dh happy. This is costing you personally a great deal.

Lardychops · 19/05/2025 08:08

Cabbagefamily · 19/05/2025 06:54

To be fair, your brother might not be very interested in your small children. He might want to see you but can take it or leave as regards the children.

Yes I think I agree with this.
when I lived abroad- bar my parents- my siblings, cousins and aunts (and certainly friends) were focussed on seeing me first and foremost,
Also I was under no illusion that people wanted to share the same living space as my two young kids (later four when I had twins) overnight for days on end, using up precious annual leave.
To be honest when I visit my siblings and their with kids now I’m happy to kick a ball for an hour, do some colouring, game for a bit even , but then I’m just keen for them to bugger off to bed so I can enjoy done quality adult time with my brother and sisters, eating drinking and talking ‘ adult’.

If he's not that fussed you can’t force it. Leave the offer open and review nearer time maybe?

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:08

AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:06

Because, from all we can see, he doesn't care, and you do.

The person who is keener on making something happen has to put themselves out more.

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you, that is his prerogative. If the end result is you decide you can't be arsed to see him at all, that is your prerogative.

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you

read that again. Since when is going to the effort to fly to a different country just to see a person for a day on a spectrum of “can’t be arsed”. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:09

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:04

The plan would be to leave at lunchtime, which would get us there around 4pm. I was explaining to a poster why we would leave around lunch vs first thing in the morning. I want to make sure we say a proper goodbye to my grandparents and they tend to go to bed very early these days.

You can say the proper goodbye the evening before. You’re deliberately being inflexible on this.
Also, he’s so ill you’re counting every hour with him yet you’re not coming until next year? Which is it?
Just leave the holiday let in the morning and meet your brother for lunch or dinner. Job done.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:09

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:03

Now you’re just being stubborn for the sake of it! You’ll have seen him for the best part of 2 weeks. Saying goodbye the night before or in the morning is neither here nor there.
You’re just not willing to compromise.

The compromise will be going to meet my brother at Heathrow. It will be the last time I see my grandparents. If you can’t have empathy for that I don’t have anything else to add I guess.

OP posts:
AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:09

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:08

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you

read that again. Since when is going to the effort to fly to a different country just to see a person for a day on a spectrum of “can’t be arsed”. 🤦🏼‍♀️

"Can't be arsed to do more than x" simply means that's the extent to which he is willing to put himself out. He's been clear on that, as far as I can see.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:11

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:09

You can say the proper goodbye the evening before. You’re deliberately being inflexible on this.
Also, he’s so ill you’re counting every hour with him yet you’re not coming until next year? Which is it?
Just leave the holiday let in the morning and meet your brother for lunch or dinner. Job done.

Oh Jesus seriously? If you actually read the thread I am having surgery again and can’t travel until next year. You’re just being spiteful and I cant help that. It’s not inflexible. We are changing plans for my brother if you read the comments.

OP posts:
Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:11

AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:09

"Can't be arsed to do more than x" simply means that's the extent to which he is willing to put himself out. He's been clear on that, as far as I can see.

Yes I get it. I just thought it was a ridiculously “glass half empty” way to frame it, and not helpful for the state of mind OP is in.

Theworldisinyourhands · 19/05/2025 08:11

OP you have decided to move half way across the world. You need to fit in with others not visa versa. If you don't want to meet brother in the way he's proposing then you have to accept that then you won't be seeing brother for a few years. Another option might be to have an extra week or so in the UK and book separate flights home for you and your kids so that you have more time to do other things. Yes it might be a challenging flight home but it will at least mean you have more quality time with your relatives. Ultimately this is your decision. Emmigrating isn't wrong at all but it does kindof send the message to the people you love that you're not bothered how much you see of them so you can't really complain if they reciprocate that feeling.

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:12

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:07

It’ll be the last time she probably ever see her granddad and you think it’s a bad thing she wants to spend every possible second with him?

If he’s that ill why isn’t she coming until next year?
Plus a few hours won’t make any difference. She’s going back to Oz anyway.

MissMashed · 19/05/2025 08:12

I think the core issue is that neither of you want to see each other enough to justify the hassle and upheaval. If you really wanted to see each other, you would move mountains to make it happen.

That is not a criticism of either of you, just a reflection of the dynamic that is there. I feel that ultimately these are all excuses which could be overcome by both of you if you really and desperately wanted to see each other again. That’s life, and relationships change. It is sad but it often happens with both friends and family.

Jewelanemone · 19/05/2025 08:12

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:09

The compromise will be going to meet my brother at Heathrow. It will be the last time I see my grandparents. If you can’t have empathy for that I don’t have anything else to add I guess.

What's wrong with saying goodbye the night before? A couple of hours the next morning isn't going to make any difference, especially as you'll be flapping around packing the car, feeding your kids, saying goodbye to everyone else etc.

MamaorBruh · 19/05/2025 08:12

I haven't read the full thread so apologies if this has been mentioned but why not suggest to your brother that he flies in the day before you leave, you both stay overnight at Heathrow and then both fly out the next day.
That way, no need to rush for a 4pm meet - you could get there at say 6pm and all have a nice dinner and few drinks in the hotel
Also, I understand what you are saying about it being the last time seeing Grandparents but you can't guarantee that of anyone. My brother died suddenly this year and I'd never have known seeing him before that would be my last time.
You'll have had good quality time with your Grandparents, make time for your brother too - it's really no different to losing the hours with them to meet him somewhere else. It's just at the end of the holidays and not the middle.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:13

Op this is obviously very distressing for you. You do sound like you love and care for your family, but you ended up in Australia it seems, without really considering what would happen there. The longer you stay there, the more settled your children are likely to be, and you will never come home.

I am going to suggest you have counselling with a registered therapist and talk through all of this.

It isn’t just your brother - there is a raw pain I can hear in your posts. A suffering and a huge unprocessed loss. I don’t think you would have chosen the life you have now, and this is sitting underneath it all. That’s why you are having such a reaction to your brother’s reasonable suggestions, because for you this trip means everything.

Your parents and grandparents adore you, and this is a loss for everyone. This trip has taken on such meaning.

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:13

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:09

The compromise will be going to meet my brother at Heathrow. It will be the last time I see my grandparents. If you can’t have empathy for that I don’t have anything else to add I guess.

Can't you see though that you aren't meeting brother half way effort wise

You're brother is willing to fly in just to see you. That's a lot of effort! I can completely see why he doesn't want to tack several hours more driving and a nights stay on

You have an option of leaving a few hours earlier to somewhere you were already going. That seems like an amazing solution!

You've clearly decided he has to come to the cottage because that's what you've decided and he either complies or you'll emotionally twist the situation to him being hurtful, not caring enough or trying to deprive you of time with grandparents. Accusing people suggesting you leave your grandparents earlier of lacking emotional empathy and going on about it being a last visit etc is a warning sign to me about how you'll handle these conversations with your brother

As the sibling in the country, if my sister who hasn't seen my grandparents starting using some of the wording you are it will kill our relationship. If you are desperate to see your grandparents because you think they are very sick, then it doesnt allign with a visit in a year.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:14

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:08

There is a back story to this thread that we are not seeing. Op seems to be saying she wants to move back home, and misses her family terribly. It is easy enough to relocate, millions of people do, so why are they still there?

It seems to me that you are staying there to keep your dh happy. This is costing you personally a great deal.

My husband’s career is here for which he’s locked in to a contract and he is not British. I just finished the Australian citizenship. I would like to come back home but it definitely isn’t easy. It’s fair to say I didn’t actually comprehend what I was getting in to when we got married and had a baby and moved but I do like my husband and would like my family to stay together. He can’t move right now and I don’t want to move back without him.

OP posts:
Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:14

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:11

Oh Jesus seriously? If you actually read the thread I am having surgery again and can’t travel until next year. You’re just being spiteful and I cant help that. It’s not inflexible. We are changing plans for my brother if you read the comments.

I’m not being spiteful, I’m being pragmatic.

everythingthelighttouches · 19/05/2025 08:15

TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 08:06

What I would say however is that if your life is set up in a way that is geared around your husband (ie living a days travel away from your family to accommodate his) then I do think he should be rather more accommodating about spending time in the UK. Ten days really isn’t a lot. I get work etc but this is the choice he made when he married you, in my view. This is the sacrifice.

This.

Only in addition,

Actually,I think OP’s DH might be Australian? OP hasn’t answered this.
So they live where he wanted to go for a promotion and she is away from family.

She views it as he has been put upon by her injury, but I feel like he should be even more accommodating to allow her to see her family.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:15

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:13

Can't you see though that you aren't meeting brother half way effort wise

You're brother is willing to fly in just to see you. That's a lot of effort! I can completely see why he doesn't want to tack several hours more driving and a nights stay on

You have an option of leaving a few hours earlier to somewhere you were already going. That seems like an amazing solution!

You've clearly decided he has to come to the cottage because that's what you've decided and he either complies or you'll emotionally twist the situation to him being hurtful, not caring enough or trying to deprive you of time with grandparents. Accusing people suggesting you leave your grandparents earlier of lacking emotional empathy and going on about it being a last visit etc is a warning sign to me about how you'll handle these conversations with your brother

As the sibling in the country, if my sister who hasn't seen my grandparents starting using some of the wording you are it will kill our relationship. If you are desperate to see your grandparents because you think they are very sick, then it doesnt allign with a visit in a year.

Edited

I have said we are going to Heathrow so not sure where you’re getting im insisting he has to come
to the cottage? I did ask why he didn’t want to come home this time when they come several times a year. My mum thinks it’s to do with not wanting to stay with everyone and just wanting to see us. He does want to see us to answer other posters and I’d like to see my brother 😆

OP posts:
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SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:16

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:12

If he’s that ill why isn’t she coming until next year?
Plus a few hours won’t make any difference. She’s going back to Oz anyway.

Because she needs more surgery post-major accident and can’t travel before then.

Seriously, does it make you feel good attacking OP like this thing on a Monday morning? Are you getting a nice buzz from it to set you up for the week?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:16

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:14

I’m not being spiteful, I’m being pragmatic.

For something I can’t control or change. Obviously I hope my grandad will still be there.

OP posts:
Jewelanemone · 19/05/2025 08:17

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:14

My husband’s career is here for which he’s locked in to a contract and he is not British. I just finished the Australian citizenship. I would like to come back home but it definitely isn’t easy. It’s fair to say I didn’t actually comprehend what I was getting in to when we got married and had a baby and moved but I do like my husband and would like my family to stay together. He can’t move right now and I don’t want to move back without him.

That's twice you've said you 'like' your husband. Do you love him?

ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot · 19/05/2025 08:19

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:25

Why can’t my brother? All this talk of me being rigid. We had a plan my brother has now changed and now I’m expected to change our plans and put my kids under more stress and I’m rigid?

Ok, since I've posted I've seen you've replied to others saying you will meet at Heathrow. This wasn't clear before and I was responding to a post where it sounded like you'd not changed your mind. I won't delete my post as the second paragraph is still fair, but I've deleted my first paragraph as it isn't.

Talk to him. You're unhappy but you don't even know why he's changed his mind. Perhaps the other trips to your hometown are timed to fit with other events. This one wouldn't be. In his mind, the only reason to come back would be to see you, and you're going to be at Heathrow anyway.

rookiemere · 19/05/2025 08:20

Another point about the holiday let. Your Dsil didn’t want DCs, perhaps she doesn’t particularly like spending time with DCs.
We are going away with extended family this summer (DHs). I enjoy spending time with them but find my nephew and DWs two DDs quite overwhelming. Not their fault - although I do hold a grudge against the DPs for number 2 potty training in the living room - but just because of their ages. I will cut my week short because I feel I will be tired after a few days of this and I don’t get much annual leave.

Add a flight, cost of car hire and a two hour drive to the equation, oh and throw in another generation and I would probably be out too.

OP just meet your DB at your Heathrow hotel. I feel like you have carefully curated this trip with your relatives to be picture perfect, and life isn’t like that. I would ask him why he decided not to go to the holiday let, but be prepared to listen not justify yourself.

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