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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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Angrygirl · 19/05/2025 07:58

This seems to have become a war of wills.

Id be frustrated too if my DB wouldn’t just come to the holiday let but that’s his prerogative.

I don’t understand though why you’re upset at needing to leave the holiday let maybe 6 hours earlier than planned to go to Heathrow and instead pushing to take a whole day away from the holiday let to meet him in Oxford. That somewhat weakens your argument to him.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:59

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:58

Jesus. What is the point of this other than to be unkind?

Ok thank you for letting me know that we don’t really have a family in the Uk anymore. I miss my family daily. I am well aware of the sacrifices of living abroad. It doesn’t make me or my children or my family any less loved. I speak to my family and friends back home every single day.

But if you want to come home why don’t you plan to move back? I don’t understand why this is difficult for you if you miss your family daily. It just sounds like a poor me victim complex. If you want to move back, move back, you have free will.

SpunkySquid · 19/05/2025 07:59

Some really nasty people on here today. Who pissed on your cornflakes?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:59

PhilippaGeorgiou · 19/05/2025 07:57

That's emotional blackmail. Look you came on here to ask for opinions, but actually every opinion that involves you changing anything about your plans is rejected as not suitable for you. But your brother isn't willing to be flexible? Sounds like it is you that isn't willing to budge an inch. Which is fine. If you want to stick to your plans then that's a reasonable choice, but you just accept that not everyone will want to fall in with your plans. Don't start with the "do as I say or I will be hurt" to get your own way.

And btw, making this all about you and your family, have you considered, for example, that there may be a reason why they don't have children and maybe, just maybe, the idea of spending time with family / children (and the often inevitable comments from others) isn't something they want?

You haven’t seen the multiple times I’ve said we are changing plans for him? If people don’t read the thread I don’t know why you comment. Some of the comments on here aren’t very nice either. THEY DIDNT WANT CHILDREN. I’m not going to keep saying it.

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Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:00

You sound like a very difficult person op.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Schoolchoicesucks · 19/05/2025 07:57

This is telling - you don't want to "cut short" your holiday time with other family or pay for an overnight in London in order to accommodate seeing your brother who you haven't seen for 4 years.

You expect him to fly to London, hire a car, drive to the rural family location, be one of the crowd of family, drive back and fly back.

He travels several times a year to see family there - he doesn't feel the need to do that again at this point.

He wants to see you and is willing to fly over and stay in London.

You don't seem willing to meet him on those terms.

Agree with PP's than planning to do a drive from rural location several hours away to Heathrow to be there to check in by 9.30am the morning of will not be fun.

I wouldn't want to meet at Heathrow either. I would drive there the day before, return hire car, see if we could check cases in the day before and then go into Central London, meet brother and have a fun day in the parks or museums, show the kids Big Ben. Stay over in a cheap hotel and travel the short distance to Heathrow the next morning.

You have 8 days seeing family - can you spare one of those to see your brother?

Her grandfather has had a stroke and it’s the last time she’ll probably ever see him and whose funeral she would definitely miss. She’s not not seeing her brother in favour of some random distant cousin.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:59

But if you want to come home why don’t you plan to move back? I don’t understand why this is difficult for you if you miss your family daily. It just sounds like a poor me victim complex. If you want to move back, move back, you have free will.

Absolutely vicious. Yes it’s so easy to move from Australia back to the UK. Sell our home, get my husband all the immigration paperwork, buy a new house etc. We do plan to come back eventually but for various reasons can’t right now.

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TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 08:01

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:59

But if you want to come home why don’t you plan to move back? I don’t understand why this is difficult for you if you miss your family daily. It just sounds like a poor me victim complex. If you want to move back, move back, you have free will.

Not really, if her husband doesn’t want to. What’s she supposed to do? Leave the kids behind?

CyberStrider · 19/05/2025 08:01

I've met my sister and her kids for breakfast at Giraffe in Heathrow before they flew home to Australia. Yes, it would have been nicer to be elsewhere and have a bit longer but with busy schedules it's all we could manage.

deadpantrashcan · 19/05/2025 08:02

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

Lol this is so harsh. “You pissed off, deal with it.” Cold.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:02

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:00

You sound like a very difficult person op.

And you are thoroughly unpleasant.

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Yatuway · 19/05/2025 08:02

rookiemere · 19/05/2025 07:58

I suspect the issue his that definitely his DW and probably him don’t want to spend their annual leave in a small cottage crammed with relatives which - unlike you - they see fairly frequently. It’s a bit rough his DW won’t even take the day off work, but there you go. It’s maybe worth trying to talk to DB about it, but not as you have done here instantly getting defensive about the length of time you have and pitting your transatlantic marathon flight ( from the place you chose to live) with your DCs against DBs hop skip and jump flight apparently.

It sounds like both you and your DB are fairly rigid in your thinking, personally I would try to be the bigger person because it could be a very long time before you see him again. I would arrange to meet them at your Heathrow hotel at 4pm or earlier the day before you go. I think he wants quality time with your family, not to be one of 10 as it were. I get you feel you may be seeing elderly DGPs for the last time, but honestly after over a week in close quarters a change of scene may be no bad thing.

Agree with all this.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:02

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:00

You sound like a very difficult person op.

And you sound like a bully.

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 08:02

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:45

No I just find anyone saying it’s odd my partner can’t take more than 2 weeks off a bit much. I guess the history would be I now am disabled and so I do need my husbands help in order to make this trip work as my children are so young. So I probably am defensive of him and this is probably why I am annoyed by the situation. I’m having another surgery soon and we have no family help out here so I feel like im putting a lot on my husband and he doesn’t understand the situation with my brother but it’s causing me a lot of stress. I’ve text my brother saying we can’t do central London but can we meet halfway or at Heathrow the night before we fly out and we will change our plans accordingly. My brother hasn’t seen me since my accident and so I don’t think he realises things are harder for me now. Getting the tube with 2 kids isn’t something I could manage as easily as I would have before. My mum is going to gently speak to him too and check everything is ok with him and his wife and that it is just that they want to fly in and out. I know my grandparents can be a bit testy in their old age so if anything it may be that. Not being home for years does mean I don’t always know the little ins and ours of what’s gone on with everyone.

She didn’t say it was “odd”. You inserted the “odd”. She was pointing out that everyone has their own life circumstances and priorities. That includes the childfree OP.

Your brother is willing to take a two hour flight and back, just to see you are your family for the day. Thats lovely. Yes you can wish he could do more and be disappointed he can’t, but try to take a step back and see the bigger picture of the amount that he is committing to. And just to see you.

Kaftanesque · 19/05/2025 08:02

I understand you not wanting to cut short your time with parents and granddad but leaving at lunchtime the day before wont make so much difference surely?Checking into a hotel at Heathrow the night before and catching up with your brother would be ideal and way more relaxing as and end to your holiday. Your brother sees your parents more regularly anyway. It's you he wants to see.And not being awful but if your life is now in Aus the reality is he will probably be the one flying in and out more as your parents age and get frailer if he remains a shorter distance away .So perhaps let this one go this time. Maybe next visit will be longer and you will all get to spend time together.

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:03

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:47

I already said why. Because it will be the last time seeing my grandfather and I was hoping to see him for as long as possible. We will change plans for my brother to a certain extent but I don’t plan on leaving before my grandad is awake and we get to spend the morning with him. I likely won’t ever see him again.

Now you’re just being stubborn for the sake of it! You’ll have seen him for the best part of 2 weeks. Saying goodbye the night before or in the morning is neither here nor there.
You’re just not willing to compromise.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:03

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Absolutely vicious. Yes it’s so easy to move from Australia back to the UK. Sell our home, get my husband all the immigration paperwork, buy a new house etc. We do plan to come back eventually but for various reasons can’t right now.

Why is it ‘absolutely vicious’ to suggest you move back if you miss your family??

It’s surely the answer to your issues. If you plan to move back then great, but you have to accept in the meantime you will have a very different relationship with your family, won’t always be a priority and your children will not have the same bond they would have otherwise had.

Your life sounds very tough and lonely. Especially with your health problems. Is your dh Australian and refusing to move?

Groundhedgehogday · 19/05/2025 08:04

It's next year, Id give up trying to lock down a plan. Flight times change, plans change. If he's in Europe if he does want to meet he'll be able to book a flight nearer the time anyway.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:04

Kaftanesque · 19/05/2025 08:02

I understand you not wanting to cut short your time with parents and granddad but leaving at lunchtime the day before wont make so much difference surely?Checking into a hotel at Heathrow the night before and catching up with your brother would be ideal and way more relaxing as and end to your holiday. Your brother sees your parents more regularly anyway. It's you he wants to see.And not being awful but if your life is now in Aus the reality is he will probably be the one flying in and out more as your parents age and get frailer if he remains a shorter distance away .So perhaps let this one go this time. Maybe next visit will be longer and you will all get to spend time together.

The plan would be to leave at lunchtime, which would get us there around 4pm. I was explaining to a poster why we would leave around lunch vs first thing in the morning. I want to make sure we say a proper goodbye to my grandparents and they tend to go to bed very early these days.

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deadpantrashcan · 19/05/2025 08:05

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:01

Absolutely vicious. Yes it’s so easy to move from Australia back to the UK. Sell our home, get my husband all the immigration paperwork, buy a new house etc. We do plan to come back eventually but for various reasons can’t right now.

Having also lived abroad, I agree that it’s really not that easy to “just move back.” There is a lot of work involved. Particularly with two young children. It seems there are, as always, two types of folk on this thread. People that appear to have never had a problem in their lives, and those that are able to emphasise with others that haven’t had the exact same life experiences as them.

AthWat · 19/05/2025 08:06

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:25

Why can’t my brother? All this talk of me being rigid. We had a plan my brother has now changed and now I’m expected to change our plans and put my kids under more stress and I’m rigid?

Because, from all we can see, he doesn't care, and you do.

The person who is keener on making something happen has to put themselves out more.

If he can't be arsed to do more than fly over to see you, that is his prerogative. If the end result is you decide you can't be arsed to see him at all, that is your prerogative.

TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 08:06

What I would say however is that if your life is set up in a way that is geared around your husband (ie living a days travel away from your family to accommodate his) then I do think he should be rather more accommodating about spending time in the UK. Ten days really isn’t a lot. I get work etc but this is the choice he made when he married you, in my view. This is the sacrifice.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 08:07

Macaroni46 · 19/05/2025 08:03

Now you’re just being stubborn for the sake of it! You’ll have seen him for the best part of 2 weeks. Saying goodbye the night before or in the morning is neither here nor there.
You’re just not willing to compromise.

It’ll be the last time she probably ever see her granddad and you think it’s a bad thing she wants to spend every possible second with him?

SapporoBaby · 19/05/2025 08:07

Nah I think he’s being a dick tbh OP. If my sister was saying this I’d be calling her asking why… you’re back for the first time in 4 years he can drive a few extra hours or get a train.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:07

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:03

Why is it ‘absolutely vicious’ to suggest you move back if you miss your family??

It’s surely the answer to your issues. If you plan to move back then great, but you have to accept in the meantime you will have a very different relationship with your family, won’t always be a priority and your children will not have the same bond they would have otherwise had.

Your life sounds very tough and lonely. Especially with your health problems. Is your dh Australian and refusing to move?

Edited

I can’t help it if my children won’t have the same bond. We had to move back as yes my husband is Australian and his contract came to an end and so he was recalled if you like. I had a 1 year old at the time and so my only option seemed to be to go with him. My husband won’t move back right now and I’ve just finished the immigration process to be here. My children are happily and settled even if they do miss their cousins and grandparents. I won’t take my children away from their Dad and starting over in the UK as a single mother feels too much and I do like my husband and our life here. In a dream world I’d move my family here but of course that isn’t realistic. I feel completely torn between the two. But you’re right it is fairly lonely.

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