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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:20

Some of the comments are really quite unkind. I will be back to the thread later. Thank you for everyone thats posted helpful suggestions! I’m going to ask my brother if the Heathrow plan will work and change our plans accordingly. I do like him and my SiL and hopefully can see them both even for a short visit. I suspect my mother is right about them not wanting to particularly stay with relatives they see all the time. I don’t understand it but will accept it.

To anyone suggesting I don’t love my family or vice versa or I’m a bad person for not going back sooner or for living overseas, I hope you don’t speak to anyone like this in person. Living apart from family doesn’t eliminate the love you feel for them. If you’re lucky enough to have family close by that is a really precious thing.

Thank you to the posters that have been kind and understood why traveling so far with young children is a daunting prospect. Hope you all have a great day :)

OP posts:
Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 08:21

I am going to work op. Your whole life sounds based on your dh’s needs and wants, and it doesn’t sound like he has any interest in changing that. What happens to your life? Your family? Your choices and your future? It’s all in his terms, and it’s very unfair. You are sacrificing so much and it’s not too late to change your mind. A good marriage is compromising. It’s about both of you being happy. I really feel for you; and I hope you find your voice, before it’s too late.

user2848502016 · 19/05/2025 08:22

I think some of these responses are harsh actually OP. I completely understand why you don’t want to do central London as it’s not a short trip and London with young kids is hard if you aren’t used to doing it often.
I think you also can’t force your brother to make the trip if he doesn’t want to.
He’s offered a compromise with Heathrow, it’s not going to be that good but at least you’ll see him. Depending on your flight times maybe book one night in an airport hotel so you have some time together and you could eat there.
You could say there’s still space in the holiday cottage if he changes his mind

BeepBoopBop · 19/05/2025 08:23

Pickled21 · 19/05/2025 06:41

You are getting a mumsnet pile on and I can't see that it is justified. You emigrated, that isn't a sin! Your brother did too and he does this particular journey several times a year. Considering you checked the dates beforehand I don't understand why he's sticking to such a strict timeline of trying to fly in and out on the same day. He's changed the goalposts here, not you or at the very least not communicated his intentions well.I'd ask him this.

If your kids are anything like mine were at that age it takes time for them to warm to people and they wouldn't just go to their uncle for cuddles straight off the bat. This means whilst you might see him at the airport it will literally be a meal and then him dashing off so no quality time spent.

You sound understandably hurt that he can't or won't spend time with you in the way he does his wife's family or your own parents. I'd be hurt too. There does sound like there is something going on and I'd be upfront and honest and ask why he can't spare you more than a few hours? I'd also be inclined to say that if it doesn't really work for either of you so you can just wait and do a meet another time instead do regular watsapp video calls (if you don't already). I think there is something going on. I dont know what the dynamic between you two is like though. I'm the eldest sibling and have quite an open relationship with my siblings so I'd be direct and ask. Not sure if you'd find that as easy?

Edited

100% this. Just tell him you are all disappointed; however, you will see him next time maybe.

IwasDueANameChange · 19/05/2025 08:23

That feeling of being torn op, between your new life in Australia, and your family back in UK, this is the biggest most difficult part of emigrating.

DSil also has the thing of wishing we could all move there and says this a lot, its rather insensitive of her - she implies life is (by default) better there, but we are all happy in the UK. I think she genuinely doesnt understand why we don't all want to do 2 or 3 week holidays to visit her every year and just can't see that we have other things we use that time for, that we love, that we don't want to give up to accomodate that she moved to the other side of the world.

I am not trying to be unkind but you have to on a level recognise there's a fundamental selfishness in the decision to emigrate. You make the decision based on what's best for you, not your wider family. While I read what you have put about your DH contract etc, the reality is you have made a choice between moving and staying nearer extended family. You have to realise that it hurts all the people you leave and does damage your bond with them. Their lives go on back here without you. I'm not saying it wasn't the best choice for you& DC etc overall but it is a choice that has consequences.

Those of us with emigrated family all recognise the struggles you post about with your DB. Fact is people stop wanting to disrupt their normal routines and preferences to accomodate a visitor they haven't seen in years. Its sad but its reality.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:23

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

OP’s brother does that trip two or three times a year anyway, so why should she accommodate him alone when the rest of the family have sorted out the most convenient way for everyone to spend time together. And OP has a two year old as well as a six year old - not much fun on public transport. I don’t think she’s the one being unreasonable here. Sounds to me as if something else is at play here.

Globules · 19/05/2025 08:23

In the nicest possible way @JIMER202 , the oft used MN phrase

"No is a complete sentence"

applies here. All the rest is wallpaper.

Your brother has told you no. He's given an alternative he's happy with. Up to you if you adapt your plans to go along with his offer.

nopineapplepizza · 19/05/2025 08:23

Why don’t YOU meet him at Heathrow; just you, now DH, no DC.

Drive to the hotel near the airport as planned, dropped the kids and husband off there and he can put them to bed, while you travel to the airport and have an adults only meal with your DB, during which you’ll get much more proper catch up time than if your kids and husband are hanging around.

Im sure you’ve tried meeting up with someone before for a catch up and with your kids it ends up being 20 mins of catch up and two hours of making sure the kids are entertained/eating/taking them to the bathroom etc.

Maybe he just wants to see YOU.

MCCN · 19/05/2025 08:24

You keep saying that your brother is happily child-free, so maybe that's part of the issue?

He's decided he's happy to meet your 2 and 6 year olds and catch up over lunch, but doesn't want to spend days staying in the same house as them. He's worked out that jet-lagged toddlers will likely disrupt his sleep and probably be cranky during the day. He's realised that he's unlikely to be able to have much of a focussed conversation with you and the rest of his family because everyone will be prioritising the children.

This is not a criticism of your particular children by the way, it's just the reality of life with little ones! As you say, he's happily opted out of that lifestyle.

I think you should just accept his offer to meet you in Heathrow with good grace. He's flying 2hrs there and back just to see you!

TheMimsy · 19/05/2025 08:25

@JIMER202 I'm sorry for the crowd you have attracted.

speak with your brother. A years a long way off and his plans/feelings and circumstances might change by then.

why has he never visited you in Australia? Is it on the cards? We try to visit my partners emigrated children every year - or at least every other year.

I mean shock horror they chose to emigrate for better lifestyle and work opportunities but gasp they still miss family and we miss them. Still visit though and we are as flexible as possibly when they come to the UK for a few weeks so we can see them as much as possible.

Good luck

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:26

ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot · 19/05/2025 08:19

Ok, since I've posted I've seen you've replied to others saying you will meet at Heathrow. This wasn't clear before and I was responding to a post where it sounded like you'd not changed your mind. I won't delete my post as the second paragraph is still fair, but I've deleted my first paragraph as it isn't.

Talk to him. You're unhappy but you don't even know why he's changed his mind. Perhaps the other trips to your hometown are timed to fit with other events. This one wouldn't be. In his mind, the only reason to come back would be to see you, and you're going to be at Heathrow anyway.

Edited

Your last paragraph is actually along the lines of what he has just text me and it’s now clicked for me. Thank you! He is coming to see us and so as long as he can see us will be happy, he isn’t wanting drive to see family as he sees them often anyway. For some reason I hadn’t seen that perspective so thank you!

OP posts:
WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 19/05/2025 08:27

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

100%

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:28

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:20

Some of the comments are really quite unkind. I will be back to the thread later. Thank you for everyone thats posted helpful suggestions! I’m going to ask my brother if the Heathrow plan will work and change our plans accordingly. I do like him and my SiL and hopefully can see them both even for a short visit. I suspect my mother is right about them not wanting to particularly stay with relatives they see all the time. I don’t understand it but will accept it.

To anyone suggesting I don’t love my family or vice versa or I’m a bad person for not going back sooner or for living overseas, I hope you don’t speak to anyone like this in person. Living apart from family doesn’t eliminate the love you feel for them. If you’re lucky enough to have family close by that is a really precious thing.

Thank you to the posters that have been kind and understood why traveling so far with young children is a daunting prospect. Hope you all have a great day :)

To anyone suggesting I don’t love my family or vice versa or I’m a bad person for not going back sooner or for living overseas, I hope you don’t speak to anyone like this in person

OP this is MN. The keyboard warriors here will stir up shit any way they can. They can say things from behind an anonymous username they wouldn’t dare utter in real life.

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 08:28

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:23

OP’s brother does that trip two or three times a year anyway, so why should she accommodate him alone when the rest of the family have sorted out the most convenient way for everyone to spend time together. And OP has a two year old as well as a six year old - not much fun on public transport. I don’t think she’s the one being unreasonable here. Sounds to me as if something else is at play here.

Exactly he's the one making the effort to come over to the airport and drive six ish hours several times a year to see family

Op hasn't done it in donkeys, yet on her one visit is refusing to do the driving to see anyone, and asking him to do it yet again.

He's offered to fly in, she's then demanding her drives to her adding at least 6 hours on

He's offered to meet at the airport shes already going to if she simply leaves about 2 hours early.

She's declined because she wants to spend every hour with her grandparents implying that he's taking her away from her dying grandparents, who she's waiting a year to see anyway, and who she'd be leaving in an hour or two anyway

He's offered a lot. She's offered that he do all the work, because he usually does all the work so she finds it hurtful he isn't doing all the effort instead of her changing her plans by 2 hours

Theshallows1167 · 19/05/2025 08:29

You just leave earlier the day before. Leave your luggage at the hotel until check in time and then you’ve got the whole day at Heathrow to meet up with your brother. He can fly in and out same day.

Nominative · 19/05/2025 08:29

It may be that he or his wife aren't keen on the whole thing of sharing a big holiday rental. It can sometimes be a bit of a nightmare.

midlifeattheoasis · 19/05/2025 08:31

Just stick to your plan OP. It sounds like because he's not made the plans, he doesn't like it. Does he normally like things his own way, I wonder?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:31

IwasDueANameChange · 19/05/2025 08:23

That feeling of being torn op, between your new life in Australia, and your family back in UK, this is the biggest most difficult part of emigrating.

DSil also has the thing of wishing we could all move there and says this a lot, its rather insensitive of her - she implies life is (by default) better there, but we are all happy in the UK. I think she genuinely doesnt understand why we don't all want to do 2 or 3 week holidays to visit her every year and just can't see that we have other things we use that time for, that we love, that we don't want to give up to accomodate that she moved to the other side of the world.

I am not trying to be unkind but you have to on a level recognise there's a fundamental selfishness in the decision to emigrate. You make the decision based on what's best for you, not your wider family. While I read what you have put about your DH contract etc, the reality is you have made a choice between moving and staying nearer extended family. You have to realise that it hurts all the people you leave and does damage your bond with them. Their lives go on back here without you. I'm not saying it wasn't the best choice for you& DC etc overall but it is a choice that has consequences.

Those of us with emigrated family all recognise the struggles you post about with your DB. Fact is people stop wanting to disrupt their normal routines and preferences to accomodate a visitor they haven't seen in years. Its sad but its reality.

No I made a choice to stay married and have my children have their father or to get divorced and be a single mother. My parents both still work full time. My husband is a good and active, involved father and I love him very much. So it wasn’t much of a choice. It’s hard to explain unless you’ve been faced with it but I think most people would go with their spouse.

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RunningBlueFox · 19/05/2025 08:31

I lived in NZ for a long time and have done a few meet ups with family members at various airports (which were lovely). The bigger problem here OP is that you are British and your DH is an Aussie and i think this situation may have just made you realise what this is going to mean in terms of compromise on where you live going forward. You also need to realise your kids will be Australian and not have the same draw to the UK you do DH and I are both British but we have lots of friends in your situation and it is really difficult as one is always giving up more than the other.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:31

midlifeattheoasis · 19/05/2025 08:31

Just stick to your plan OP. It sounds like because he's not made the plans, he doesn't like it. Does he normally like things his own way, I wonder?

Yep 😆😆

OP posts:
TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 08:32

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 08:23

OP’s brother does that trip two or three times a year anyway, so why should she accommodate him alone when the rest of the family have sorted out the most convenient way for everyone to spend time together. And OP has a two year old as well as a six year old - not much fun on public transport. I don’t think she’s the one being unreasonable here. Sounds to me as if something else is at play here.

Yes she’s pointed out several times that she has children.

Her DB makes good arrangements to visit his parents and GPs, as OP has said.

He is willing to do a meet up with his DS.

He doesn’t have to conform to her 10 day window and group meet.

Nor, does she have to confirm to his schedule.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 08:33

RunningBlueFox · 19/05/2025 08:31

I lived in NZ for a long time and have done a few meet ups with family members at various airports (which were lovely). The bigger problem here OP is that you are British and your DH is an Aussie and i think this situation may have just made you realise what this is going to mean in terms of compromise on where you live going forward. You also need to realise your kids will be Australian and not have the same draw to the UK you do DH and I are both British but we have lots of friends in your situation and it is really difficult as one is always giving up more than the other.

Yes and I will always want to be where my children are. And I don’t feel it’s fair to remove my children from their father when he is a really good Dad and a fantastic husband. I miss my family but they would be devastated if I just moved them back to the Uk. My husband has even asked me before if I want to when I’ve been very homesick, but I know my children need their Dad more than I need my parents as I am a grown adult now.

OP posts:
TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 08:34

Honestly. I moved two hours from my family to accommodate my husband and that is bad/hard enough!!

minnienono · 19/05/2025 08:34

I would consider going back the day before, booking a hotel near airport (ibis bath road is reasonable) then going into London for the evening, kids are perfect age for a trip to see the sights maybe a river boat trip

YourWildAmberSloth · 19/05/2025 08:34

Not the point of the thread, but I would rather do one leg of the trip alone with two children, than try to squeeze it into 10 days.