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AIBU?

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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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Messycoo · 19/05/2025 07:50

It’s your holiday and you do what you want.
as you say you are coming to see grandparents, and sadly it may be the last time you’ll see them.
I don’t think your being unreasonable.
you can’t please everyone. If your brother can’t make the trip then he can’t make the trip end of.

Jobsworth7 · 19/05/2025 07:50

If his wife's not bothered about coming to the holiday let and he would have to drive there and back on his own, it probably is that. That what he means by "easier".

Not gonna lie, I have about 10 minutes worth of conversation in me with my SIL because we are chalk and cheese and I see her about twice a year. No animosity, she just might as well be my husband's distant cousin rather than sister due to big age gap.

soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 07:50

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:47

I already said why. Because it will be the last time seeing my grandfather and I was hoping to see him for as long as possible. We will change plans for my brother to a certain extent but I don’t plan on leaving before my grandad is awake and we get to spend the morning with him. I likely won’t ever see him again.

You'll have been there all week with him I presume?

A few hours is neither here nor there, you can say goodbye to him the night before.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:50

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:49

I advise you not to pressure him, or get your mother to do so. That’s manipulative, and very poor advice.

Edited

She’s going to check everything is ok with him and his wife. Tactfully. She won’t mention the trip or him seeing me as that’s for us to sort out. As I already said I’ve text him and will see what he thinks now he has other options.

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TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 07:51

Is it just me that feels the story keeps changing here? One minute OP doesn’t want to leave the holiday let a day early, next she is in fact doing that for her flight. SIL isn’t coming, oh but actually she is going to be working in London…unless I’m just not understanding this?

The driving anxiety is what stood out to me. I’m an anxious driver and will do almost anything to avoid driving in places I don’t know. (I am working on it.) I reckon this might be the issue.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:51

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:49

Again another mean comment about living abroad! I wish people would read the thread. We moved for my husbands work. My family are extremely important to me. This made me cry because my family are very very important hence us paying to come over and visit them. It’s hard living abroad. My husband had to move for his career and I chose to stay married and for my children to have a Dad. I miss my family every day. They love my children a lot. Living overseas doesn’t mean you don’t care.

There are plenty of jobs here in the U.K. if you wanted to live here op. That’s now sounding like you have no choice when you definitely do have the choice.

gannett · 19/05/2025 07:51

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:24

Why is it confusing for you to understand he agreed upon the holiday let and the dates and has now said actually can he just fly in and out again to meet us? No other explanation offered. Just that he ‘doesn’t want to.’

If your family had checked the dates and times worked and you agreed then you would be less pissed off surely?

It honestly just sounds like something has come up for him or his wife in the dates that he didn't expect when he agreed to your original plan. So he's now only available for a flying visit in that 10-day window. Could be anything - work commitments, her family commitments, double-booking error on his part (the last would make sense as to why he hasn't told you the reason). He's told you what he can do and now it's up to you both to find a compromise (which it sounds like you're doing). However the hurt feelings are a touch dramatic. Yes, he can often come back to the UK and travel all over to see people - that doesn't mean he's able to do that every single time, and it's not a signifier of his feelings about you. (Maybe he's quietly resented it in the past and has resolved not to do it any more!)

I think your problem is that you've assumed the only possible reason he doesn't want to drive to the holiday let is his laziness, that he can't be arsed, when actually there are plenty of valid reasons that he can't or won't.

HarrietofFire · 19/05/2025 07:51

‘This may be it! If he will hop in a taxi this may be the plan that makes the most sense of he wants to fly in and back out again! Thank you! Now we have to hope he can find flights that line up 😆 We can be somewhat flexible with what time we leave to get to Heathrow but the earliest we can check in to our room is 4pm so hopefully he can find a late flight back out again’

There you go. You’ve found your solution. Hopefully he finds the flights that work and you all have a lovely time together.

TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 07:51

Also…doing that trip with a 2 year old. I take my hat off to you. The 8 hour drive to the airport alone would be enough to put me off.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:52

Jobsworth7 · 19/05/2025 07:50

If his wife's not bothered about coming to the holiday let and he would have to drive there and back on his own, it probably is that. That what he means by "easier".

Not gonna lie, I have about 10 minutes worth of conversation in me with my SIL because we are chalk and cheese and I see her about twice a year. No animosity, she just might as well be my husband's distant cousin rather than sister due to big age gap.

No I get this!! And I think this is the most likely answer along with grandparents being a bit tricky and him maybe having learned the hard way smaller doses are better. He obviously is home more than me and around them and he is quite rigid and easily bothered so I could see them being a bit testy may have ruffled his feathers at some point. I’m going to call him tomorrow to chat about the text I sent him. My mum thinks it’s the grandparents as asked for her input.

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soupyspoon · 19/05/2025 07:53

Im puzzled by the insistence by some posters that there must be some other deep reason for him not wanting to stay in the holiday cottage and that OP must get this out of him and he must disclose this

Its ok to say you dont want to do something.

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 07:53

God there are some nasty commentators on here. Telling OP she doesn’t care about her family because she moved abroad for her DH’s job? That’s cruel.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:53

TheInternetNeverForgets · 19/05/2025 07:51

Also…doing that trip with a 2 year old. I take my hat off to you. The 8 hour drive to the airport alone would be enough to put me off.

It was that or another connecting flight!! So we chose the car as my children both sleep in the car and we can stop as needed. I am dreading the flight 😆😆

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nobodywantsit · 19/05/2025 07:54

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:54

But my children will be in bed the night before. We can’t check in till 4pm as I said on an earlier post. And he is trying to fly in/out the same day. We have hire car to drop back off too. So it’s going to be a lot of working around him and his flight times if he can even get flights that work with us not getting there till 3 or 4pm

Just come earlier. Leave early on the day, meet him somewhere and leave the luggage in the car or at the hotel then check in at 4. Or you could book an earlier check in. You’re coming the day before anyway so you’re losing a few extra hours at the holiday let at most.

I don’t think you’re massively helping yourself with the added drip feeds here. Like you’ll be near Heathrow overnight anyway so it really is no hassle at all to meet him nearby.

SALaw · 19/05/2025 07:55

Just say cos you’re not going to be in central London?

PurpleThistle7 · 19/05/2025 07:55

Well now that you’ve explained there’s an easy solution. You go to the Heathrow hotel early and have lunch there. Honestly you don’t want to drag out the goodbyes - nothing worse than everyone clock watching while getting more and more sad. Our worst goodbyes are the later in the day ones so we prioritise leaving just after breakfast whenever possible. Get out, go the hotel and meet your brother there. Get a hotel with a restaurant so you don’t have to do anything extra.

or… don’t. Also fine. It’s okay for things not to work out for two adults with complicated lives.

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:55

You are deceiving yourself if you do not believe that the distance is not impacting your relationships with your family, it very clearly is, as you have started this thread.

For a close relationship to form with your family it requires time, being there in times of difficulty and celebration. Chatting over tea, doing life and the mundane bits. It can’t be squeezed into a week in a holiday let - every few years.

I think you are deluding yourself about the impact of a long distance relationship with your family, and the consequences and sacrifices.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:56

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 07:53

God there are some nasty commentators on here. Telling OP she doesn’t care about her family because she moved abroad for her DH’s job? That’s cruel.

Thank you! I didn’t have much of a choice really. And it’s honestly caused a lot of friction between us because I would love to move home but that isn’t in the cards for us (right now at least). It was so challenging having my accident and my premature baby so far from home and I struggled badly postpartum without friends and family around me. My children need their Dad more than I need to like in the UK and so that’s the choice I’ve made for now. But it’s hard. I miss them all daily and we speak daily too! I do love my brother a lot. The idea my children aren’t close with anyone or liked as much isn’t true thankfully, my family do put in huge effort with me to build those bonds over the phone and video calls.

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WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 19/05/2025 07:57

I’d be annoyed and a bit baffled too OP.

i would say something along the lines of…. ‘Look, it’s a year away, I really hope you change your mind and come to the holiday cottage so we can have a few days with you. With xxx’s health, it could be the last time mum and dad get us all together as a family and it’s a shame not to take that opportunity. And I’d love the kids to meet auntie xxx if things change and she’s free to come to the holiday cottage. Also, if you fly in and out in a day I’d hate if any last minute disruptions or delays meant we wouldn’t see you. But if that doesn’t suit we could…

  • get to Heathrow earlier, maybe meet at the child friendly place a PP mentioned or dump your car and bags (even if you can’t get into your room, you’ll be able to store luggage), or even get the Heathrow express into London. It’d be a bit of an adventure for the kids.
  • you could ask if he and SIL could stay overnight at Heathrow if flights don’t work for day trip, again, meet mid afternoon at family friendly place PP mentioned, then go back to hotel and chill out there for a bit. Maybe your partner could put them to bed letting you have a bit longer with your brother over a drink or two?
vivainsomnia · 19/05/2025 07:57

I did wonder this but he’s got 2 upcoming trips planned!
When? Maybe it's only a couple of weeks later, so he is not overly keen to do it twice in a short time. If he is willing to fly in just to see you and the children, meeting in London seems a good compromise.

Ultimately, maybe he thinks that you could have made a stop where he lives and stayed at his, which wouldn't be unreasonable either.

Schoolchoicesucks · 19/05/2025 07:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:52

Thank you this is helpful! We will have to cut a day off our paid for holiday let and time to see other friends/family and pay for a Heathrow hotel as our flight leaving London is 11.30 in the morning so I’m going to let him know all that and see if he changes his mind or not. If not then it’s helpful to know the options thank you!

This is telling - you don't want to "cut short" your holiday time with other family or pay for an overnight in London in order to accommodate seeing your brother who you haven't seen for 4 years.

You expect him to fly to London, hire a car, drive to the rural family location, be one of the crowd of family, drive back and fly back.

He travels several times a year to see family there - he doesn't feel the need to do that again at this point.

He wants to see you and is willing to fly over and stay in London.

You don't seem willing to meet him on those terms.

Agree with PP's than planning to do a drive from rural location several hours away to Heathrow to be there to check in by 9.30am the morning of will not be fun.

I wouldn't want to meet at Heathrow either. I would drive there the day before, return hire car, see if we could check cases in the day before and then go into Central London, meet brother and have a fun day in the parks or museums, show the kids Big Ben. Stay over in a cheap hotel and travel the short distance to Heathrow the next morning.

You have 8 days seeing family - can you spare one of those to see your brother?

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:56

Thank you! I didn’t have much of a choice really. And it’s honestly caused a lot of friction between us because I would love to move home but that isn’t in the cards for us (right now at least). It was so challenging having my accident and my premature baby so far from home and I struggled badly postpartum without friends and family around me. My children need their Dad more than I need to like in the UK and so that’s the choice I’ve made for now. But it’s hard. I miss them all daily and we speak daily too! I do love my brother a lot. The idea my children aren’t close with anyone or liked as much isn’t true thankfully, my family do put in huge effort with me to build those bonds over the phone and video calls.

Why can’t your dh get a job here, the jobs market is booming.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 19/05/2025 07:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:29

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful.

That's emotional blackmail. Look you came on here to ask for opinions, but actually every opinion that involves you changing anything about your plans is rejected as not suitable for you. But your brother isn't willing to be flexible? Sounds like it is you that isn't willing to budge an inch. Which is fine. If you want to stick to your plans then that's a reasonable choice, but you just accept that not everyone will want to fall in with your plans. Don't start with the "do as I say or I will be hurt" to get your own way.

And btw, making this all about you and your family, have you considered, for example, that there may be a reason why they don't have children and maybe, just maybe, the idea of spending time with family / children (and the often inevitable comments from others) isn't something they want?

rookiemere · 19/05/2025 07:58

I suspect the issue his that definitely his DW and probably him don’t want to spend their annual leave in a small cottage crammed with relatives which - unlike you - they see fairly frequently. It’s a bit rough his DW won’t even take the day off work, but there you go. It’s maybe worth trying to talk to DB about it, but not as you have done here instantly getting defensive about the length of time you have and pitting your transatlantic marathon flight ( from the place you chose to live) with your DCs against DBs hop skip and jump flight apparently.

It sounds like both you and your DB are fairly rigid in your thinking, personally I would try to be the bigger person because it could be a very long time before you see him again. I would arrange to meet them at your Heathrow hotel at 4pm or earlier the day before you go. I think he wants quality time with your family, not to be one of 10 as it were. I get you feel you may be seeing elderly DGPs for the last time, but honestly after over a week in close quarters a change of scene may be no bad thing.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 07:58

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 07:55

You are deceiving yourself if you do not believe that the distance is not impacting your relationships with your family, it very clearly is, as you have started this thread.

For a close relationship to form with your family it requires time, being there in times of difficulty and celebration. Chatting over tea, doing life and the mundane bits. It can’t be squeezed into a week in a holiday let - every few years.

I think you are deluding yourself about the impact of a long distance relationship with your family, and the consequences and sacrifices.

Jesus. What is the point of this other than to be unkind?

Ok thank you for letting me know that we don’t really have a family in the Uk anymore. I miss my family daily. I am well aware of the sacrifices of living abroad. It doesn’t make me or my children or my family any less loved. I speak to my family and friends back home every single day.

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