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I spoil my DD by not forcing her to eat her none safe foods, AIBU?

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ResturantWithMyDad · 18/05/2025 19:36

I’ll preface this with my DD (aged 10, almost 11, school year 6) has SN and a disability so we tend to try to keep things the same.

Went to a pub for Sunday lunch after an event for my dads social group. Decided on a pub DD and I go to regularly – Dads been once before and enjoyed it.

I paid for the meals but dad moaned and moaned saying it was expensive for what it was, and it was only good last time because it was a novelty for him. He says he gets fed up of going to the same places time and again and can we try somewhere new.

I said next time he can book and choose but can he warn me in advance so I can check the menu and make sure there’s something DD can/will eat (she has a few allergies of uncommon foods but also when she’s somewhere new has safe foods she eats until she feels safe – usually off the kids menu – nuggets/fish fingers/sausages and then when we’ve been a few times she’ll try something off the main/adult menu but alongside her safe meal and we build up from there – some resturants we’ve been to for years and she still orders the same thing off the menu everytime, I don’t care as long as she’s calm and eating!) to which he said “If she’s going to eat off the kids menu I won’t bother taking her we go to experience the new food not the chicken f**king nuggets especially as once we’ve been I won’t go again” and stomped off to the car.

In the car on the way back he says he gets fed up of the same places all the time, in an ideal world he’d go once or twice to a restaurant then try somewhere else and in his day DD would have just had to put up with eating what she was told where she was told to eat it. Which resulted in a meltdown from DD and her kicking the back of my chair as I was driving. Dad called her a spoilt brat and said “No wonder your dad doesn’t want you” – ExH sees DD eowend for 2 nights but lives less than 5 minutes’ walk from us, he refuses extra contact and told me via a solicitor that he’d prefer me not to remind of our marriage by forcing him to have DD more (a whole other thread)

He's since text me to tell me I undermined him to my DD, we could of gone somewhere else for a change and I could of made her eat whatever I wanted her to but I pander to her. Apparently I spoilt a lovely day out by spoiling my DD. He says at DDs age I would have just eaten whatever - I'm NT and not fussy at all (there's 3 foods I don't eat) so it was ok when I was DDs age if we changed the plan or went somewhere new.

Do I spoil DD? And did I spoil DD by not insisting we go somewhere else or forcing her to try something else?

OP posts:
Peaceandquietandacuppa · 18/05/2025 20:58

Stop socialising with the abusive old git. Why put yourself through it??

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 18/05/2025 20:59

"Do I spoil DD? And did I spoil DD by not insisting we go somewhere else or forcing her to try something else?"

Your father is AWFUL. Just AWFUL.
Not only to your DD, I'll come back to that..
But the run up to it... His behaviour towards YOU constantly undermining you. The choice of resturant... demanding that he has to go to a different place every time. Moaning all the way through..
During this time you are appeasing him, apologising, explaining you will find somewhere he likes but it has to cater to your Daughters needs too - WHICH IS MORE THAN REASONABLE.
You shouldn't need to apologise to him for anything,. You were taking him out for lunch and I am quite sure there was absolutely nothing wrong with where you were, he was just enjoying himself by picking on you and making you feel bad.
This is not enough for him.. he then attacks your parenting, calls her spoiled before finishing with his final attack.

And from your post.. you are immediately taking his criticisms to heart, doubting your parenting. Please recognise that you are doing a good job and reject his nasty comments. Have faith in yourself and understand that you know your daughter best and you have her best interests at heart. He does not.

I would NEVER take someone like that to a restaurant ever again, even without his cruel remarks to your DD. And I agree with the many posters who have said you need to protect your DD from being in his company and hearing any more cruel comments. What a terrible thing to say to a child. He is a disgrace.

What a horrible person to spend any time at all with.

Theroadt · 18/05/2025 20:59

Obviously what your father said was unforgivable, and he seems to resent not being thd centre of attention. Equally obviously you were tight to put your daughter first and not force new food/places you know it won’t help and will distress her. However, it really is notable how common food sensitivity (whether sensory issue or allergy) is these days when it really wasn’t 30+ years ago. I think older people have a real difficulty understanding that, and I myself find the change incomprensible - so I havd a smidge of sympathy for the lack if understanding, BUT as he knows his GD has SN etc he should make sure he educates himself on it. My son is dyslexic - my MIL alwats says “oh I don’t understand it - we didn’t have that sort of thing in my day” / whereas I think she should educate herself about it, and it speaks volumes about her that she can’t be bothered.

pimplebum · 18/05/2025 20:59

i would have ejected my dad from the car as soon as he said that vile thing and I would be non contact until he grovelled an apology and promised not to be a dick again , your poor kid having to hear that

you don’t cure SN with strictness - what a knob

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/05/2025 21:00

You're not being unreasonable, and you're not spoiling your daughter by allowing her to have her safe foods and build up the confidence to try new foods.

I have ARFID - being forced to try new foods particularly somewhere new, in front of others, is my worst nightmare (at least as far as food goes) and would certainly set me back - yes at 45 I still have issues and whilst I have a much wider range of safe foods and more ability to try foods, that is only because I am an adult and can buy and cook my own food, leave what I don't want, cook a second dinner etc!

I was going to say that her kicking your seat as you drive is not really ok, but then his comment about her father not wanting her is absolutely fucking outrageous for an adult to say within earshot of a child!!! He should have some self control.

It'd be the last time I took him out for a meal anywhere at all, with or without his Grand Daughter!

Theroadt · 18/05/2025 21:00

Theroadt · 18/05/2025 20:59

Obviously what your father said was unforgivable, and he seems to resent not being thd centre of attention. Equally obviously you were tight to put your daughter first and not force new food/places you know it won’t help and will distress her. However, it really is notable how common food sensitivity (whether sensory issue or allergy) is these days when it really wasn’t 30+ years ago. I think older people have a real difficulty understanding that, and I myself find the change incomprensible - so I havd a smidge of sympathy for the lack if understanding, BUT as he knows his GD has SN etc he should make sure he educates himself on it. My son is dyslexic - my MIL alwats says “oh I don’t understand it - we didn’t have that sort of thing in my day” / whereas I think she should educate herself about it, and it speaks volumes about her that she can’t be bothered.

*right not tight (sorry!)

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 18/05/2025 21:01

Your dad is an absolute prock and in your shoes that would be the last time I or dd had anything to do with him.

My dd has ARFID courtesy of absolutely well meaning hospital staff. She was undergoing investigation for something and the doctors said they were checking to see if certain foods made her sick. She was 2. We have had hell on earth since getting her to eat anything beyond her "safe" foods.

Just because our parents forced us to eat whatever was out in front if us doesn't mean it was right. Mine spent years forcing me to eat cheese, cream, Yoghurt etc, within seconds of eating i had horrific cramps, upset stomach etc. I have a massive dairy allergy and it was undiagnosed.

I was forced to chilli, I have a huge anaphylaxis allergy to several of the hot peppers along with paprika. I kept saying it was making my mouth feel funny. I felt like I couldn't breathe etc and was dismissed. I could have died.

Advocate for your dd.

Protect f
Her from the frankly abuse cockwomble that is your df.

MummaMummaMumma · 18/05/2025 21:02

"no wonder your dad doesn't want you".
That would be the very lady time I went out for dinner with him ever again. I really would not want to see someone who said that to my child, parent or not.
What a prick.
And no, you're not spoiling her with the food.

Starlight7080 · 18/05/2025 21:02

I have a autistic child who can only eat certain things and we always go to the same restaurant.

My dad adores her and would never in a million years speak to her or about her in this way.
You did nothing wrong .
His behaviour is awful .
I would avoid him as much as possible

Endofyear · 18/05/2025 21:03

I think if my dad had said something like this to one of my children, I'd have stopped the car and told him to get the fuck out! But then, my dad wouldn't have said it because he's not an arsehole. Your dad sounds like a selfish, nasty, ignorant arsehole and you shouldn't have him around your DD at all. A grandparent should be her safe place.

MumChp · 18/05/2025 21:05

I wouldn't bother going out with him. I would want to focus on my daughter enjoying herself.
It's not up to your father to have an opinion about her food.

AthWat · 18/05/2025 21:08

Why the fuck is he moaning about where he goes with you? Are you his primary social contact? Surely he can go where he likes when he likes with friends/partners, if he has any?

DancyNancy · 18/05/2025 21:10

Dad, you're a c*t, F*k off

DreamTheMoors · 18/05/2025 21:11

Dryshampoofordays · 18/05/2025 19:41

You sound like a great mum - that’s a wonderful way to support her with food. Your dad sounds like a monster and I’m so sorry for you and your dd. tell her you’re so sorry he said those things to her and emphasise he was in the wrong and that she didn’t deserve it. Then never subject her to him again.

@Dryshampoofordays has taken the words out of my mouth

Only someone but a bit of a monster of would behave like your father.
I’d lose him on future pub outings and enjoy dates to wherever you and your darling daughter enjoy going - and eat whatever the two of you enjoy eating.
Sheesus.

Pedallleur · 18/05/2025 21:11

Enjoy your meal out Dad. We won't be dining with you. So you can eat where you want. And by the way we don't want you!

Tbird5 · 18/05/2025 21:11

"No wonder your dad doesn't want you".
For that alone i would of told him to eff right off!! I'd have nothing to do with him for the rest of his miserable life!

ODFOx · 18/05/2025 21:12

I can only think that as you were driving your father had over-indulged at the bar to come out with something so cruel and cretinous at all, let alone in front of his autistic granddaughter. What a horrible and stupid thing to say.

SnippySnappy · 18/05/2025 21:13

"Dad called her a spoilt brat and said “No wonder your dad doesn’t want you”"

Never mind anything else. That's unforgivable. He'd be cut out of our lives faster than you can say snip.

OhHellolittleone · 18/05/2025 21:15

The way you treat your daughter is how any kind person treats a relative or friend.

I have fussy friend. It’s not really an issue. Yes, it limits where we go or what I can cook… but so what? She eats what
she eats, I don't care if she orders plain or the same thing every time.

thismummydrinksgin · 18/05/2025 21:15

What do you think about this OP? I wouldn’t like it, and I think I would be reluctant to be going out for meals with him again.

PoliteReader · 18/05/2025 21:20

OP, if your dad spoke to you and treated you the same way when you were growing up, I can see how you may have normalised the nasty vicious comment he made to your daughter, but you should know that him speaking to a child like that is disgraceful.

Comments like that- especially from people who are supposed to love them- stick with young children and can cause lasting trauma (especially seeing as your DD’s own dad has all but abandoned her).

The fact that the subject of your post was the food issue and not what he said to her; speaks volumes regarding how conditioned you may be to his abuse.

I don’t know any grandads that wouldn’t be willing to (shock, horror) visit somewhere more than twice if it meant their DGD was more comfortable. The only spoiled brat in this scenario is your dad.

noctilucentcloud · 18/05/2025 21:20

"No wonder your dad doesn’t want you”

Like others have said, that is unforgivable for an adult to say to a child. Please check that your daughtee is ok, and tell her that your dad was bang out of order and she is in no way to blame. Those words could do a lot of damage. I'd also read the riot act to your dad. If he can't realise how terrible his words are, and promise to never repeat them, then he should not have access to your daughter. My mum didn't protect me from a grandparent who was horrible to me, I really struggled with that well in to my 30s.

UsernameTalk · 18/05/2025 21:23

Your father is a nasty father is a nasty abusive bully and a selfish twat.

Masmavi · 18/05/2025 21:25

I think you need to set clear boundaries with your father or not see him. That’s a deeply upsetting thing to say to a child. He clearly has anger issues.

PurpleThistle7 · 18/05/2025 21:25

This is horrible. You should take a long break from these experiences with him as he clearly isn’t even trying to be empathetic.

my daughter is autistic and can really struggle with new foods. We go to the ballet a lot (she’s a dancer) and we ‘always’ go to the same restaurant and she always orders the same thing - a kids fish n chips even though she’s definitely aged out of the kids menu (she’s 12). The restaurant knows her and lets her carry on - eventually I’ll just ask them to charge me the adult price but give her the kid portion.

last time she ordered a different dessert and I was honestly so proud of her. Once we were there with her brother and going to a musical instead of a ballet and she agreed to try something new. So now if it’s not specifically a ballet she can wrap her head around something different, but ballet = kids fish and chips and that’s the end of that conversation.

To be honest I wouldn’t mind going somewhere different now and again but it has been years of this so your solution sounds great - try something new, be ready ahead of time with a plan, support her throughout. Really great ideas here for me :)