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Party pooper - How to respond?

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Secondchoice2 · 17/05/2025 19:33

My son has ASD and struggles to make friends. He is a cheerful 10 year old and is nice to everyone but rarely clicks with people. He has two good friends and I am grateful for that. I have been planning a small birthday party for him for months. He needed 8 guests to run the activity.

I planned it with the mum of one of his two good friends. Let’s call her Cowbag. She has helped me plan, understands the difficulty I have in getting people to attend and I even changed the activity to something her daughter would like. One week to go before the party and she has now withdrawn her acceptance of the invite saying that she accidentally double booked. she sent this by text. My son is devastated.

However, I have now found out that Cowbag’s daughter is now going to the party of another girl on the same day. This girl only gave out invites two days ago.

I spend a lot of time with this woman and I do not know how to respond. I am so upset.

OP posts:
Bellaboo01 · 23/05/2025 08:59

Calliopespa · 22/05/2025 23:21

” the young girl would prefer to go to the other party”🙄

I seriously hope you don’t have children with that attitude…

What an odd and offensive thing to say!

Keyboard bravery at it's best i see!

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 09:13

Bellaboo01 · 23/05/2025 08:59

What an odd and offensive thing to say!

Keyboard bravery at it's best i see!

No it is neither odd nor offensive.

I absolutely do hope your children don’t have the attitude that they should simply do as they fancy, regardless of the upset it causes others. It will not serve them well in the long term.

The girl had been invited to the op’s son’s party long before the other invitation appeared. It seems to have been perfectly acceptable until then; she simply dropped and grabbed at something better with no regard at all for etiquette or other’s feelings.

Why is it odd to think that’s an appalling upbringing for a child?

I found your casual statement of the situation - “ the young girl would prefer to go to the other party” - quite alarming in its seeming inability to grasp the nuances of why that wasn’t such a straightforward situation. At least most others have tried to rationalise it. Your post is effectively a sort of breezy: “oh dear, how sad, never mind.” Aka “ who gives what the boy feels.” 🤷🏻‍♀️

Bellaboo01 · 23/05/2025 09:25

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 09:13

No it is neither odd nor offensive.

I absolutely do hope your children don’t have the attitude that they should simply do as they fancy, regardless of the upset it causes others. It will not serve them well in the long term.

The girl had been invited to the op’s son’s party long before the other invitation appeared. It seems to have been perfectly acceptable until then; she simply dropped and grabbed at something better with no regard at all for etiquette or other’s feelings.

Why is it odd to think that’s an appalling upbringing for a child?

I found your casual statement of the situation - “ the young girl would prefer to go to the other party” - quite alarming in its seeming inability to grasp the nuances of why that wasn’t such a straightforward situation. At least most others have tried to rationalise it. Your post is effectively a sort of breezy: “oh dear, how sad, never mind.” Aka “ who gives what the boy feels.” 🤷🏻‍♀️

Edited

It is both odd and offensive to say 'i hope you don't have children'

It has been my life's blood to have children and whether or not i have achieved that is irrelevant.

Anyone can clearly decide what they want to do and sometimes you do have to put yourself/ child first. You have read FAR too much into what i said and came up with a completely different meaning and interpretation of what i said.

The girl would probably prefer to go to the other party. I also said that i think that it is very sad for the boy too.

As a parent do you think that this girl's Mum should put aside her daughter's feelings and needs to accommodate others? Both parents are responsible for their own children's happiness and wellbeing.

I'm going to leave it at that as i can reason with someone being unreasonable (YOU)!

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 09:35

Bellaboo01 · 23/05/2025 09:25

It is both odd and offensive to say 'i hope you don't have children'

It has been my life's blood to have children and whether or not i have achieved that is irrelevant.

Anyone can clearly decide what they want to do and sometimes you do have to put yourself/ child first. You have read FAR too much into what i said and came up with a completely different meaning and interpretation of what i said.

The girl would probably prefer to go to the other party. I also said that i think that it is very sad for the boy too.

As a parent do you think that this girl's Mum should put aside her daughter's feelings and needs to accommodate others? Both parents are responsible for their own children's happiness and wellbeing.

I'm going to leave it at that as i can reason with someone being unreasonable (YOU)!

Ok just to address your last: I’m sorry I can see from this response how you read it. Ambiguous phrasing on my part. I didn’t mean the sentence to stop there ( and it doesn’t); I meant I hope you don’t have children with that attitude. If you’ve struggled to have them I see how you were quick to take it that way. I’m sorry : that would have felt upsetting and rude.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 09:37

Bellaboo01 · 23/05/2025 09:25

It is both odd and offensive to say 'i hope you don't have children'

It has been my life's blood to have children and whether or not i have achieved that is irrelevant.

Anyone can clearly decide what they want to do and sometimes you do have to put yourself/ child first. You have read FAR too much into what i said and came up with a completely different meaning and interpretation of what i said.

The girl would probably prefer to go to the other party. I also said that i think that it is very sad for the boy too.

As a parent do you think that this girl's Mum should put aside her daughter's feelings and needs to accommodate others? Both parents are responsible for their own children's happiness and wellbeing.

I'm going to leave it at that as i can reason with someone being unreasonable (YOU)!

I ought to have said: “ I hope you don’t have children WHO HAVE that attitude.”

I find I don’t necessarily word things as well on these devices…

But my meaning was not how you took it.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 09:43

But as for the putting aside the daughter’s feelings ( and here we come more to my point) I think as a society we are teaching children that their needs are paramount at all times.

And of course in some circumstances they are. But on a broader view, I also think it is in a child’s best interest to make sure they understand the values of kindness and not letting people down when it becomes a bit of an inconvenience.

Of course on the big issues we prioritise our children’s needs. But this wasn’t a big issue: it was a party - and one that had had a great deal of card and effort put into making it happy for him, and one in which thd girl’s attendance mattered more than it normally might. It’s not as if she had to marry him.

YellowPostIts · 23/05/2025 09:48

The etiquette on this is very clear - you attend the party invitation you accepted first.

If the girl is lovely then there’s no need for the children’s friendship to be impacted.

But I would only give the mother cold politeness from now on.

Missey85 · 23/05/2025 09:49

Calliopespa · 22/05/2025 23:21

” the young girl would prefer to go to the other party”🙄

I seriously hope you don’t have children with that attitude…

So the girl should be forced to go? What a nice thing to teach your kid that there feelings don't matter? If she wants to go to the other party that's up to her 😊

YellowPostIts · 23/05/2025 09:50

Missey85 · 23/05/2025 09:49

So the girl should be forced to go? What a nice thing to teach your kid that there feelings don't matter? If she wants to go to the other party that's up to her 😊

No, you teach your child that good manners are very important and that other people’s feelings are also important.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/05/2025 09:51

Missey85 · 23/05/2025 09:49

So the girl should be forced to go? What a nice thing to teach your kid that there feelings don't matter? If she wants to go to the other party that's up to her 😊

She accepted the invitation - of course she should go

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 09:57

Missey85 · 23/05/2025 09:49

So the girl should be forced to go? What a nice thing to teach your kid that there feelings don't matter? If she wants to go to the other party that's up to her 😊

You see I really have a problem with this view.

I do see that many, many children these days think like this, so you are far from alone.

But I don’t think it’s a healthy attitude for them to have.

It isn’t saying their feelings don’t matter; it’s simply teaching them their feelings don’t matter MOST, ALL the time.

I know plenty of children who think they do.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 10:30

YellowPostIts · 23/05/2025 09:50

No, you teach your child that good manners are very important and that other people’s feelings are also important.

Agreed.

And I do understand that teaching your child to feel their needs and feelings matter is also important and comes from a place of love.

But without context and qualification and limits, and applied broad-brush as a “policy stance,” it has the potential to produce adults who will struggle to have happy, healthy relationships.

I do wonder to what extent the “the girl can do whatever she wants” posts might have been different if the disappointed snd let-down child was a little girl and the “I can do just as I please” child a boy. The reason I say this is I feel a lot of the really strident “I will not bend to please” philosophy has its origins in the resistance over past decades to misogyny.

The problem with this is, while to a great extent this was needed, necessary and laudable against an historical background, and to some extent IS still important, very few philosophies can withstand an unnuanced application. The idea is currently being stretched to breaking point.

But to reverse the genders again, my friend is married to someone whose mother who adored him, and in her adoration she raised him to believe his desires and needs mattered so much that he is now struggling in a marriage to my friend who also believes that her wants and needs matter NOT most or all the time, but at least some of the time. Unfortunately this is a difficult thing for him to grasp; it cuts across his fundamental childhood beliefs that “ if you love me, you’d care about my feelings and let me have my way.” He takes so much, he is so draining and so unable to see that she does love him, she just sometimes needs other family members’ feelings to matter too. He loves her, too, and it is going to devastate him when his marriage imminently collapses. But he just knows nothing different. He has never learned to pick his battles on prioritising his feelings.

If only his mother had not “loved not wisely, but too well.”

Far too many children have this attitude and in the long run it ISN’T in their best interests. Self-belief and self-respect is one thing; an inability to ever pass over our first choice wish in favour of someone else’s is another.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/05/2025 14:44

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 09:57

You see I really have a problem with this view.

I do see that many, many children these days think like this, so you are far from alone.

But I don’t think it’s a healthy attitude for them to have.

It isn’t saying their feelings don’t matter; it’s simply teaching them their feelings don’t matter MOST, ALL the time.

I know plenty of children who think they do.

No it isn't. If the child had been forced to accept the invitation you'd have a point, but having accepted, then reneging because she's got a later, better offer is bad manners.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 16:47

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/05/2025 14:44

No it isn't. If the child had been forced to accept the invitation you'd have a point, but having accepted, then reneging because she's got a later, better offer is bad manners.

Sorry was that supposed to quote me? I think I’m saying the same as you? Ie; she ought to go to the first event accepted.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/05/2025 19:30

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 16:47

Sorry was that supposed to quote me? I think I’m saying the same as you? Ie; she ought to go to the first event accepted.

Thanks sorry the quotes get confusing.

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 21:54

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 23/05/2025 19:30

Thanks sorry the quotes get confusing.

I’ve had the same issue today .

Bellaboo01 · 24/05/2025 11:47

Calliopespa · 23/05/2025 10:30

Agreed.

And I do understand that teaching your child to feel their needs and feelings matter is also important and comes from a place of love.

But without context and qualification and limits, and applied broad-brush as a “policy stance,” it has the potential to produce adults who will struggle to have happy, healthy relationships.

I do wonder to what extent the “the girl can do whatever she wants” posts might have been different if the disappointed snd let-down child was a little girl and the “I can do just as I please” child a boy. The reason I say this is I feel a lot of the really strident “I will not bend to please” philosophy has its origins in the resistance over past decades to misogyny.

The problem with this is, while to a great extent this was needed, necessary and laudable against an historical background, and to some extent IS still important, very few philosophies can withstand an unnuanced application. The idea is currently being stretched to breaking point.

But to reverse the genders again, my friend is married to someone whose mother who adored him, and in her adoration she raised him to believe his desires and needs mattered so much that he is now struggling in a marriage to my friend who also believes that her wants and needs matter NOT most or all the time, but at least some of the time. Unfortunately this is a difficult thing for him to grasp; it cuts across his fundamental childhood beliefs that “ if you love me, you’d care about my feelings and let me have my way.” He takes so much, he is so draining and so unable to see that she does love him, she just sometimes needs other family members’ feelings to matter too. He loves her, too, and it is going to devastate him when his marriage imminently collapses. But he just knows nothing different. He has never learned to pick his battles on prioritising his feelings.

If only his mother had not “loved not wisely, but too well.”

Far too many children have this attitude and in the long run it ISN’T in their best interests. Self-belief and self-respect is one thing; an inability to ever pass over our first choice wish in favour of someone else’s is another.

Edited

What on earth are you waffling on about.

The original post was about a primary school kid who has chosen a party she would prefer to attend - simple!!

Calliopespa · 24/05/2025 14:38

Bellaboo01 · 24/05/2025 11:47

What on earth are you waffling on about.

The original post was about a primary school kid who has chosen a party she would prefer to attend - simple!!

Well… “there’s none so blind as” … and all that.

Gustavo77 · 24/05/2025 14:48

If I'm right in thinking, today is party day!

I hope you all have a fab time, especially the birthday boy 💙

Secondchoice2 · 06/09/2025 01:39

Sorry for the long wait. My nephew did make up the numbers in the end. It was a great party and my son loved it. I could not hold my fire and sent cowbag this:

“You did not double book. You had a better offer. I spoke to (girl’s) mum. I know she only just gave out invitations. If you are going to behave in an awful way at least own your behaviour instead of hiding behind a lie. Thanks for letting me know what kind of person you are.”

She did not respond. However her child brought a nice present for my son and gave it to him at school. I have not thanked her.

OP posts:
ThePinkPoster · 06/09/2025 02:00

Good for you. She’s awful.

GoodOldTrayBake · 06/09/2025 07:33

Wow what a cowbag indeed. I’m impressed with your response.

BakelikeBertha · 06/09/2025 11:14

What a FABULOUS response OP! Well done for telling her like it is! Maybe she'll think twice before telling lies that can easily be checked out in future.

So glad your son enjoyed his party.

mcmooberry · 06/09/2025 11:19

Thanks for the update! Have just re read your posts from May and am reminded of how 100% awful she was pulling out like that, hopefully she realises it! I wouldn’t have been able to stop myself telling her what I thought either! So glad the party was fun and hooray for your nephew stepping up!

nomas · 06/09/2025 11:19

Secondchoice2 · 06/09/2025 01:39

Sorry for the long wait. My nephew did make up the numbers in the end. It was a great party and my son loved it. I could not hold my fire and sent cowbag this:

“You did not double book. You had a better offer. I spoke to (girl’s) mum. I know she only just gave out invitations. If you are going to behave in an awful way at least own your behaviour instead of hiding behind a lie. Thanks for letting me know what kind of person you are.”

She did not respond. However her child brought a nice present for my son and gave it to him at school. I have not thanked her.

Glad your son had a good time and you called out the other mum.

As your son’s friend is nice, did he thank her? It might have been nice to give her the party bag.