DH won't let daughter go on school trip to mosque

[RealUmberAnt]

I'm shocked and appalled!! He (M41)says he doesn't want her (DD12) learning about people who marry there daughters off at 9 years old and all their women are oppressed and forced to cover up and do as their told!

I feel like he's taring all Muslims with the same brush and it's good to learn about other religions and see other places of worship!

I'm so mad!! I honestly don't think I can stay with someone who has these opinions!!

Rude.

You have literally just dismissed an entire religion of people as ' dangerous'. I think that's a little worse than rude.

Your husband sounds like a nightmare. I’d let her go regardless of what he’s saying. Knowledge is power and it’s important that children learn about other cultures and religions.

I have to be honest, I agree to some degree. BUT some of the women dress that way because they want to. I had a Muslim friend and she no longer wanted to be Muslim. Her mum was the one pushing her to wear a burka instead of a hijab. Her father did not care either way. She was outcast from the family by her mother, not her father, and only her mother was the one who insulted her.

The part i agree with is not going but not for the same reasons. In this country, we are now learning less about Christianity and more about Islam. The school my son attends did nothing to celebrate Easter, but came home with an Eid gift. How is that Equality? Why are we wiping out English culture by allowing this? This is the bigger, and more worrying picture here.

Are they visiting any other religious places like Catholic Churches, Synagogues?

If not, perhaps your DH is just suspicious of the motives behind this visit.

It's not a religion. I suggest you go away and do your research, then come back and see if you still feel the same.

This is a regular accusation to anyone that criticises the bad aspects of Islam.

The part you’ve ignored is that you haven’t got any examples of millions of Christians weaponising bible passages in order to kill people in large numbers or subjugate women in the present day. The bad examples of Christianity seem to involve obscure sects in America that no one has heard of and we are already rightly critical of them.

While I’m sure everyone agrees that the majority of Muslims are moderate or would like to be moderate, we should be allowed to recognise that there are still millions of people who actively practise or live by the really bad aspects of Islam - the throwing gay men off tall buildings, the stoning to death of raped adulterous women, the marrying girls from age 9. In countries like Afghanistan where Islamic leaders are in charge, they recently changed the law to drop the age of marriage to 9. As well as depriving girls of education and healthcare.

We should also be allowed to criticise that freely just we like heavily criticise the Catholic and Christian Churches for their sex abuse scandals. It doesn’t mean we are criticising all Muslims or the moderate practices. In fact it would be helpful to agree what are the ‘moderate practises’ acceptable in a tolerant society.

Afaik Muslims don’t get a democratic vote on their leadership so what stops extremist leaders taking over and changing things like they have done in several formerly modern and tolerant societies around the world? Has everyone seen the pictures showing how free Iranian women were before the extremists took over?

And remember that there are some Muslims in this country that are not moderate. MI5 say that 75% of their work is trying to stop Islamic extremists from mass murder of us. The stated aim of the extremists is to kill us or force us to covert.

There are areas where many Muslims live where the women have to wear full body and face covering. Teachers have to be trained to spot the signs where a girl is going to be trafficked abroad for forced marriage.

We tolerate a huge breach of our animal cruelty regulations s to allow halal slaughter and some areas like Wales halal meat is the only meat supplied in schools.

Afaik the Muslim Council of Britain have not taken any action to push or help the government to stop the Muslim grooming gangs. Is that because as ex Muslim campaigner Raja Miah tells us, a Muslims first responsibility is to other Muslims? I have no issue with that in itself but we have to be able to discuss whether that works for everyone in UK society. In some cases, like the tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of raped and abused girls hurt by the grooming gangs because they are white girls, it doesn’t work.

Let’s try and have a productive conversation about this without the automatic shouts of ‘racist’ and ‘Islamophobe’.

So because women are not employed in the most senior positions in the Catholic Church we are not allowed to discuss the impact of another religion on women that uses stoning ti death as legitimate punishment in some parts of the world?

Great post 👏👏

Agree. Really sad. I've deleted Facebook because my community boards for my local town have basically shown that the majority on there are awful racists. They love Reform. We didn't actually have a vote a couple of weeks but they're all bleating on how pleased they are at Farage and his cronies have got a little bit of power.

It's made me really sad because it felt like it was getting better but from what I've seen its getting worse.

There was peaceful rally locally supporting immigration and some awful people showed up, threw bricks and bikes at a hotel that some refugees were staying in. One or two got arrested after a police officer for hit with something. People online went absolutely mad that these "poor young men" had been punished for being violent thugs.

Is it fair to say that something that is used to harm people by bad people could be described as dangerous though?

Kitchen knives can be very dangerous when used by bad people. When used to chop vegetables they are not really dangerous at all.

Yeah, I couldn't stay in a relationship with a racist either. I'm sorry, it must be really difficult.

I think it's a genuine point for debate. In all world religions there are those who use their faith in a positive way, as a moral compass, to being order to their life and beliefs etc and have a like minded community. Then there are those who abuse their position in an organised religion to abuse others.

It's not unique. Just look at the Magdalene laundries as a similar example. Most Catholics are horrified by this.

Most Muslim people I know would be horrified at the thought of stoning women etc.

Are you kidding. Have you not seen how Christianity is being weapon used in the USA?

You think all Muslims think this is ok? That’s extremism and has nothing do at all with visting a mosque. As others have said what about all the child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Does that tar all catholics with that brush?

How many people have been murdered for being female, gay or not Christian by bad people in the name of Christianity in the last year?

No. Clearly not.

I don't do it on every thread. Just the ones that instantly feel a bit click baity to me, which is quite a few these days, admittedly. And I am very, very rarely wrong.

Btw. This shouldn’t be a competition over which religion fosters the worst behaviour.

We just need to be able to talk about the bad behaviour without being accused of being racist or Islamophobic so we can be clear in the lines of acceptable behaviour.

A lot of assumptions are being made on this thread about what Muslims in general think. It would be really good if there was an environment where we could talk and find out their opinions on the treatment of women by their religion, especially in certain countries and whether they plan to do anything about it.

It often seems like Christian/British/white people are constantly being held to account even for the sins of our forefathers and certainly for the sins of our church leaders - is this just a one way street?

People upping the ante by constantly screaming “racist” at us is not conducive.

Why aren't we having the same discussions regarding Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism? Why Islam? Funny that. Makes you think.

Omg go on what could the motives be???!!!! You visit lots of places of worship for religious studies to LEARN about them

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It would be really good if there was an environment where we could talk and find out their opinions on the treatment of women by their religion, especially in certain countries and whether they plan to do anything about it.

For what purpose?

Finding common ground?

Understanding better how to combat Islamic extremism together

Better social understanding and cohesion?

Is that not something we should be striving for? Reading the comments against OPs DH, they are certainly not going to make any progress with that level of nastiness.

A quick Google on the comparative rules around marriage for each religion is interesting.

Islam is the only one of the 4 that explicitly allows polygamy, child marriage and makes it much harder for women to divorce their husband than vice versa.

Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism don’t seem to have very strong feelings on homosexuality whereas opinions are very polarised within Islam, with some Islamic countries imposing the death penalty for homosexuality and others apparently being more open to it.

It seems that there’s quite a bit more to talk about with Islam in all levels, whereas the other religions are far less controversial.

Well get on Google and research it. I'm not doing it for you!

Most major religions offer this. The community school I taught I visited a Mosque, a Catholic cathedral, and Anglican cathedral and had a Rabbi visit to give a talk at assembly. It's common.