DH won't let daughter go on school trip to mosque

[RealUmberAnt]

I'm shocked and appalled!! He (M41)says he doesn't want her (DD12) learning about people who marry there daughters off at 9 years old and all their women are oppressed and forced to cover up and do as their told!

I feel like he's taring all Muslims with the same brush and it's good to learn about other religions and see other places of worship!

I'm so mad!! I honestly don't think I can stay with someone who has these opinions!!

I'm a raging atheist, someone who doesn't like religion at all, yet DD was allowed to go to a church, mosque and gurdwara when she was at primary school. Why? Because we all believe, and like, different things. Also, men who rally against Islam because they want to protect their female relatives are often are bogus anyway. It's a veil. Tney just hate Muslims, and are still sexist, regardless. They are not feminist allies, just bigots.

Islam has its social problems I have no doubt of that but as a pp said, that's not to say Muslim women have no agency in their lives. To think that is also very sexist and bigoted.

You disagree that Islam is a fundamentally misogynistic ideology?

Let me guess. He's a reform voter?

Yes! She is amazing

LOL – seeing all the comments from Mumsnetters, it’s surprising how often people forget there are religions beyond Christianity and Islam in th UK. What about trips to visits Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, or Sikh places of worship?

I think all religions are fundamentally misogynistic to a greater or lesser extent. Hardly surprising given that all of them are quite old and "of their time".

I certainly don't agree that all Muslim women are oppressed, which is what the OP's DH said.

All the Abrahamic religions are fundamentally misogynistic.

Yes, they are. And I hope OP's DD will learn this too.

Don't you have anything better to do than research the poster of every thread to see how you can catch them out?

I'm depressed by the latter point but not surprised. Mumsnet has a lot of posters nowadays who now feel emboldened to be open about their hostility to other cultures, ethnicities and religions and call anyone who challenges them "professionally offended".

Yeah a lot of small minded bigots are around. But like you said, there's no surprise there.

I don't like the way mosques don't even let women pray in the same place as men. I think this rule treats them as lesser and unworthy.

Also, eastern Europeans Moslems like Bosnians, Kosovans are Moslems who leave women uncovered. This suggest to me that the head covering is largely an Asian cultural form of Islam, rather than a rule of Islam itself.

And your husband is not a monster, he just only hears the nasty stories about Moslems in the press. He needs to make friends with a few nice moslems and realise it's about people, not religion. Some are nice and some are complete c, just like atheists and the rest of humanity.

I would so love to hear from some of you who think the husband is reasonable.

You probably wouldn't want to hear a thing they have to say. I wouldn't, lot of hot air most likely

Every Muslim I’ve ever known well has told me it’s encouraged to find out about other religions (just obviously not to follow them). So they would visit churches I’m sure. There are bad in all walks of life but I have to say the most generous and giving people I’ve come across in life have always been Muslim too. First to jump in with charity donations and giving beautiful gifts or gifts of food to neighbours etc. Our local mosque runs a food bank open to all 365 days a year. Kids visiting mosques is no bad thing at all.

They do so much for charity, very nice people 🥰

He's got the right sort of idea about Islam but shouldn't be stopping his daughter from visiting the mosque or learning more about it. She'll see the misogyny.

What is wrong with you?

Nothing. Thanks for asking.

Islam is a religion. How is criticism of it racist?

No problem. I care about people.

I think the answer to that question is pretty obvious, don't you?

It's rather sad really. Imagine being consumed by so much hate.

Imagine having experienced the misogyny of Islam first-hand and then being told things like "what is wrong with you?" and that you're "consumed by hate" after pointing out the misogyny.

Fine, we can call him a bigoted/prejudiced/islamophobic partner if you prefer.

Islam is, of course, a religion and not a race. However, I haven't never yet come across an Islamophobe that hasn't come across as racist as well.

What I've observed time and again over the years is that racists often use islamophobic statements to express their racist sentiments because they see the fact that islamophobia isn't technically "racism" as a get out of jail free card.