To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

Terraced housing is no good.

Saying that apartments make the quality of life worse is laughable. You can have nice, modern looking apartment blocks. Your problem is you just stereotype them to be the standard 80’s council housing blocks.

No, we don't need to build more.
We need fewer people.

Am I the only one that thinks having a beautiful living environment is important to our lives? I don’t want to live in a concrete world where all I do is wake up, not see sunlight, go to work and come home and only have brick walls to look at

Terraced housing is wonderful. I loved living in terraced housing. We all knew each other. We walked out our front door and chatted with people. We all had gardens even if small. What is wrong with it?

You sound very melodramatic

Me either.

Terraced housing restricts to one family per footprint. Apartments can be 10, 20, or many more.

Exactly! We need less people- that was my point. We need to work our country’s population needs to the housing stock the country has rather than building more.

Well we're coming to the end of the thread now and I'm really heartened to see 60% voted YABU. Even just five years ago that would have been unthinkable.

Like the Supreme Court ruling, it seems the penny is finally dropping. About two decades too late, but better late than never.

By the way, Nigel Farage loves landlords, they'll be even more HMO's if he gets in. He claims he'll abolish section 24 and the renters reform bill. Just be careful what you wish for, it could backfire with overcrowding, dodgy landlords, and a rental market that’s even harder for tenants to navigate.

So what is your suggestion? Kill off the elderly? Restricting immigration is one thing but it won’t solve the housing crisis, which is caused by landlords and hoarding wealth.

no just restrict immigration to the amount of available housing

Nobody should be using racist rhetoric. What are you saying, they started it? They did it first so it's ok for you? 🙄

Terraced housing restricts to one family per footprint. Apartments can be 10, 20, or many more.

That is true, but I think many people in UK don’t particularly like living in apartment blocks. There’s an area in London where we sometimes stay with friends and the 1970s flats are half the price for the same square footage of the flats in Victorian terraces 100 yards away

Brits are having fewer children than ever. Massively restrict immigration and it will level out.

So that still doesn’t solve the housing crisis. That is caused by the elderly and the “baby boomer” generation hoarding wealth and homes.

But we need more children to support the pensioners, and the generations coming up to pension age.

What should people do before a decision is made on their case? Starve to death?

Not emigrate until they have a confirmed place to go, like the rest of us

With all the social problems that brings. Tenants official ar Grenfell had sublet illegally making the identification of bodies problematic.

The government need to compulsory purchase farm land at agricultural prices, hand over to developers if you want cheap houses. It's the premium on land post planning approval that's holding housing back not the bricks and mortar cost. Here agricultural land 16k an acre. A plot of land to build a house. £250k.

Do the math

Aye and that's the rub. But I don't think the hotels full of immigrants will be educated to the standard needed for many jobs.

Single houses on acres of farmland are, again, not the solution. £250k to purchase a plot of land and then £100s of thousands to build a house will not solve the crisis.

And that is the problem with an economy which is in effect a giant Ponzi scheme

I’m against uncontrolled immigration. I’m saying we need to build affordable houses to encourage people to have children.

So refugees should wait until a legal route miraculously opens up?