To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

Define ‘lots of’
and there’s no need to be rude

The care worker rules will likely backfire but some in the population may need to learn this lesson.

The capital centric liberal elite is a made up bullshit term.

Totally agree. He’s the most insipid ‘bend the way the wind is blowing’ type prime minister I can think of. Utterly untrustworthy and un genuine. Who knows what he actually thinks about any of these issues.

I agree that he needs to address these issues because people have strong feelings; to get the national conversation going. But he just says what he thinks he has to. They all do it but with him he’s just a vacuous mouthpiece.

What did he say that was inflammatory?

My point is that it is an area with “lots of immigrants”.

Im a migrant and I agree with him

OP, what is your opinion of the so-called Boriswave? A government under whom the current Tory leader served, incidentally.

By any time, was it around about the time Corbyn was kicked out. To be fair that worked wonders for Labour. I am not sure they miss you.

There are many many born and bred brits who gain from a system they have never paid into. And that’s at both ends of the wealth divide

Totally agree with you op, so disappointed in starmer and labour. Labour are losing more votes to lib dem and greens so no idea why they're trying to appeal to the farage supporters

I am to vist my lovely friends there. What's your favourite bit?

I didn’t see the speech but I’ve read it. He doesn’t call immigrants strangers, you’ve taken that out of context. I don’t know where the ‘incalculable damage’ bit comes from because it’s not in the speech. I haven’t liked some of the rhetoric lately but I think this is (just for a change 🙄 ) being misrepresented.
I’m a Welsh speaker (learner, but my dad was first language and my daughter is totally bilingual) and it doesn’t alienate me on those grounds. It’s about the majority.

Spouses should be able to get a visa I think.

What does that have to do with the poster’s point?

Bradford always gets mentioned in these debates. How will the proposed changes benefit places like Bradford?

Well he’s pretty much ensuring it will be won by reform by essentially telling everyone who voted for them that they were right. So it seems like a shit strategy

Except 'most' people don't think like racists. Fewer people actually voted for Reform than all the more liberal parties combined.

Whar most people know is that the issues in this country are due to under-funded public services because we wasted billions of tax payers money on bailing out banks and corrupt covid-contracts. Not a handful of immigrants.

He doesn't have the imagination to offer a real alternative to Reform etc

He's stepped into the trap they've laid for him, believing Labour's future involves a lurch to the Right.

I'm no fan of Corbyn particularly but he did attract loads more votes than Starmer.

Starmer is too vain to realise Labour only got in because everyone was sick to death of the Tory government. Now he's going to out Tory the Tories. He has no political guile whatsoever.

He's going to throw this country under the bus because he thinks this anti immigration rhetoric will bolster his faltering government. It might do, for a bit, but what he's actually doing is moving the mainstream further right

It will embolden racists.

Agree

It's awful and it's a surefire way to play into Reform's hands next election.

People need hope not hatred, we need money to be reinvested in this country rather than wealth flooding out to funds and wealthy individuals who don't give us as much back.

But sure, Keir, you keep right at trying to beat the Reform and Tories at their own game and let their narratives dominate, on which they will always beat you.

And it's fine so I still don't get your point. Also less than 20% non UK born so it's still predominantly UK born people live here.

It’s not racist to have concerns over immigration. It’s been the number one public concern for over a decade now. Any party who thinks that they can arrogantly ignore the concerns of the public will soon find themselves unelectable. The fact that so many people are willing to vote reform says it all. Labours traditional voters, the working class, are the ones that have been most impacted by immigration.

Define 'many many'. Define the wealth divide.