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To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

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Thegreyhound · 12/05/2025 20:31

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

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Clavinova · 13/05/2025 13:58

BrightonEarlyOneSummerMorning · 13/05/2025 12:32

You should name this Utopian city, so it can be be used as an example for all others to follow

IME, people who claim to live in high immigration utopias generally live in places where the majority of immigration is from Eastern Europe.

Reform's Richard Tice is MP for Boston, Lincs which had a large influx of Eastern Europeans plus accompanying problems - HMOs, street drinking/ fighting, illegal vodka factories, driving offences, changing high street...

Nigelshotfrenchwife · 13/05/2025 13:59

justasking111 · 13/05/2025 13:44

What a naive statement. It takes two people these days to run a home both working full-time to provide a home for their children. How on earth do you take in a vulnerable aged parent and leave them alone all day.

The days of the house wife giving up work for children and parents are long gone.

If family members cooperate and take turns, it can be done.
I’m sure they will be much better looked after by a loved one than by a stranger. Many old people spend most of the day alone by the way. Carers usually spend 30 minutes each time they visit. No more than 4 times a day, I think.

Naddd · 13/05/2025 14:00

HeatonGrov · 12/05/2025 21:02

Visit Bradford.

Great isn't it

MigAndMog · 13/05/2025 14:01

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Sadly not our experience at all. Stayed at home as long as possible but with severe deterioration.

Naddd · 13/05/2025 14:01

HeatonGrov · 12/05/2025 21:39

My point is that it is an area with “lots of immigrants”.

And??? Say what you really think

LilacReader · 13/05/2025 14:02

Thegreyhound · 12/05/2025 21:32

Define ‘lots of’- bit vague

I think that means quite a few??????

CantStopMoving · 13/05/2025 14:03

MigAndMog · 13/05/2025 14:01

Sadly not our experience at all. Stayed at home as long as possible but with severe deterioration.

Agreed -
our lovely neighbour looked after her husband when he got Alzheimer’s . She managed admirably but she would call us on occasion for my husband to help her when her husband would fall and she couldn’t get him up. Her husband also would occasionally get out of the house when she had her back turned and she would frantically have to search for him. It was all very stressful for her. I admire her for keeping him at home (he never turned violent thankfully) but it took a massive toll on her health and wellbeing.

Dorisbonson · 13/05/2025 14:04

Starmer is an idiot but not for the reasons you suggest.

1m immigrants a year is too many. It's 50% the amount of immigrants the USA has! It's more than any country in Western Europe. You think 10m immigrants a decade is a good policy?

Only 17% of visas issued for immigrants in the past two years related to employment. Most of those were for low wage sectors and roles.

The government services they consume are more expensive than the taxes they pay in. We make a loss on low skilled and unemployed migrants.

If we want more money per head to be spent on government services the last thing we need are an extra 1m a year of mostly unemployed migrants who are a massive net cost to taxpayers.

Nigelshotfrenchwife · 13/05/2025 14:06

MigAndMog · 13/05/2025 13:49

I take it you haven't witnessed your previously happily married parents for 50 plus years be in physical danger and at absolute mental breaking point due to changes caused by one of them having dementia?

No, I haven’t.
I am very sorry you have experienced that. It must be heartbreaking.
I absolutely agree that there needs to be better provision available for those with very high care needs, or people who have no family at all.

IThoughtHeWasWithYou · 13/05/2025 14:06

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I watched someone decline awfully with dementia in their own home in familiar surroundings with their adult child until eventually they had to go in a home. It broke their child doing care for their parent: 24 hours a day. No unbroken sleep, no holidays, no days out. Their marriage almost didn’t survive. My mother has told me I absolutely will not be doing that for her, as she wouldn’t want to destroy me like that.

Not that I could do that for her, as I live 400 miles away and have a demanding job and a partner, and need both wages to pay the bills.

southerngirl10 · 13/05/2025 14:07

Makes you think

IThoughtHeWasWithYou · 13/05/2025 14:10

Nigelshotfrenchwife · 13/05/2025 13:59

If family members cooperate and take turns, it can be done.
I’m sure they will be much better looked after by a loved one than by a stranger. Many old people spend most of the day alone by the way. Carers usually spend 30 minutes each time they visit. No more than 4 times a day, I think.

But these days most families don’t live within 10 minutes of each other. I’m 400 miles away in a different country. My sibling is a 4 hour drive from my parents. We don’t have any other family, and even if we lived closer neither one of us could afford to give up our job to do 24/7 care. Individuals with dementia let themselves out of their house at 3am or turn the gas hob on while you peg the laundry out.

QueenQueef25 · 13/05/2025 14:11

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marshmallowmix · 13/05/2025 14:12

Sabire9 · 13/05/2025 12:40

"destroying the fabric of this country"

Immigrants are not responsible for your shitty quality of life.

The vast majority of them are working legally, paying taxes, living peacefully alongside their neighbours and doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Irregular migration ('illegal immigrants') made up less than 5% of the total immigration numbers last year. They are also not responsible for the fallout of 14 years of blistering austerity and growing inequality.

Absolute nonsense!

I don’t appreciate getting on a bus and not hearing anyone else speak a word of English …and looking like it’s in Africa or the Middle East…if you took a photo no one would say that’s a bus in the U.K. …facts are facts it’s very worrying.

This has happened significantly in the last decade…unless you are walking around with blinkers on 🙄

QueenQueef25 · 13/05/2025 14:12

MigAndMog · 13/05/2025 14:01

Sadly not our experience at all. Stayed at home as long as possible but with severe deterioration.

Poorly worded. Didn't mean to say it was a judgement on your caring.
Just that the study showed the familiarity from when they where growing up ,( so maybe a 30's or 40s theam to a care home) kept spirits in tact. Which felt lovely to hear.

Not a judgement on how long you tried at home 💜

RingLater · 13/05/2025 14:16

notadrift · 12/05/2025 23:21

No healthcare, no benefits?
Believe me; Spain is not easy to live in.

My DF had major heart surgery, identified following admittance to his local hospital.

The Hospital de Sant Pau, Barcelona carried out his operation including a 6 week stay.

TheFastTraybake · 13/05/2025 14:16

CantStopMoving · 13/05/2025 12:57

yes Because most is used for farming and national parks. Out of the developable area most is now built on and over time bits of greenbelt are being built on so there is slow urban creep. I think it should be illegal for any greenbelt land to ever be developed now and in the future .

i also think residential buildings over 5 stories should be banned except in very extreme circumstances

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Yes I agree, especially about the tower blocks. I've long thought that. We definitely need to make better use of our existing stock.

mummytoonetryingfortwo · 13/05/2025 14:17

TheFastTraybake · 13/05/2025 14:16

Yes I agree, especially about the tower blocks. I've long thought that. We definitely need to make better use of our existing stock.

We need MORE apartment buildings, not less. Affordable, standard apartments. They can look however they want on the outside, but that’s the type of thing we need. 1, 2 even 3 bed apartments.

QueenQueef25 · 13/05/2025 14:17

IThoughtHeWasWithYou · 13/05/2025 14:06

I watched someone decline awfully with dementia in their own home in familiar surroundings with their adult child until eventually they had to go in a home. It broke their child doing care for their parent: 24 hours a day. No unbroken sleep, no holidays, no days out. Their marriage almost didn’t survive. My mother has told me I absolutely will not be doing that for her, as she wouldn’t want to destroy me like that.

Not that I could do that for her, as I live 400 miles away and have a demanding job and a partner, and need both wages to pay the bills.

Again, my post was poorly worded. So sorry for triggers. The 'familiarity' was a 30's/40's themed care home designed to replicate the sensory environment of the patients upbringing and seemed to bring grounding to the spirit. Not their lived and est family home.

QueenQueef25 · 13/05/2025 14:19

mummytoonetryingfortwo · 13/05/2025 14:17

We need MORE apartment buildings, not less. Affordable, standard apartments. They can look however they want on the outside, but that’s the type of thing we need. 1, 2 even 3 bed apartments.

We are in luck. Lots of beautiful victorian buildings to renovate and empties waiting for new lease of life.

TheFastTraybake · 13/05/2025 14:24

southerngirl10 · 13/05/2025 13:13

The racism card gets pushed in front of your face if you're white British, so it's refreshing to see the amount of second and third generation non white British people standing up against the invasion - thank goodness the racism card can't be used against them. I'm so pleased someone is allowed to stand up for this country!

You're not really helping your cause of not being identified as a racist by using the term "the invasion".

justasking111 · 13/05/2025 14:26

sussexman · 13/05/2025 13:46

The basic economics here is that Social Care is a public good and should primarily be funded through the tax system. Over the last 30 years, UK public opinion (to which the Political Parties respond) has settled around the idea that the typical worker shouldn't pay more than about 30% of their income in Tax/NI. Given current demographic changes, this isn't sustainable. If we want better social care we need to fund it in a way more like our neighbours do.

My council rates have gone up 10% each year for the last three years. We are told this is for social care. Our council is brassic. Toilets, libraries closed, public bins removed, pot holes ignored. £3.7k we're paying for a small bungalow. This isn't a wealthy area, but a retirement area for people who lived in England from birth to retirement. They come here because it's pretty, get old, sick and drain our system..

mummytoonetryingfortwo · 13/05/2025 14:26

QueenQueef25 · 13/05/2025 14:19

We are in luck. Lots of beautiful victorian buildings to renovate and empties waiting for new lease of life.

They need to be renovated into apartments. We need to build more, not shy away from it because some people like their view.

CantStopMoving · 13/05/2025 14:28

mummytoonetryingfortwo · 13/05/2025 14:17

We need MORE apartment buildings, not less. Affordable, standard apartments. They can look however they want on the outside, but that’s the type of thing we need. 1, 2 even 3 bed apartments.

But that’s the problem again. We need them to house people, but they destroy the quality of life for everyone else. They make the ground level dark and take away the sky. They don’t create any sense of community. They are miserable places to live unlike terraced housing where people come out their front doors and see their neighbours.

the bigger the country’s population, the more utilitarian property becomes, and the more miserable people become as everything just becomes dark, grey and uninspired .

QueenQueef25 · 13/05/2025 14:28

TheFastTraybake · 13/05/2025 14:24

You're not really helping your cause of not being identified as a racist by using the term "the invasion".

But fine if 'foreign nationals' express same words??

What a headache.

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