To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

You should name this Utopian city, so it can be be used as an example for all others to follow

IME, people who claim to live in high immigration utopias generally live in places where the majority of immigration is from Eastern Europe.

"Free housing" aka emergency accommodation is available to all.

They exist to pay the owner/share holders. And they don't care about anything but the bottom line. They outsource everything and underpay so they turn a profit. They work to 'targets' not peoples needs. Patient/service user.
It's often really bitchy bc everyone's on edge.
If you complain they sack you instead of reflecting on management.
It's not a mystery but the amount of people acting Nobel bc the people are soo lazy. Instead of perhaps burnt out and injured from shit working conditions.

I think the management classes are happy for a diverse workforce bc it's less chance for unions.

"The most awful being the demand for the erasure of Christmas because it’s ‘unfair’."
This isn't happening. Except in the minds of Daily Mail readers

Yes it is - happened in Coventry.

When that foreign group is banned who would do it better?

He’s woken up to the fact that the majority have had enough …mass uncontrolled immigration is destroying the fabric of the country …

@Feetinthegrass

The problem is that you're doing the classic fascist thing of taking a shitty comment made to you, and extrapolating that to make a broad comment about a whole massive group of people who you obviously have problem with. You obviously dislike Muslims and have a beef with Islam.

My husband's been on the receiving end of racist abuse from white working class men. Does that mean he's allowed to call out white working class men as a group for being racist, and call for special rules and expectations for this demographic?

I can’t cope with privileged people not understanding the impact of high recent immigration.

I have lived happily in a diverse area for years. The recent high immigration in our town causes us all problems (me and my diverse neighbours from long established communities).

If you don’t have to put up with the following: living next to HMOs with majority adult men, increase in litter and crime, agressive organised begging, fake businesses on your high street to launder money, prostitution and people trafficking.

If none of the above applies shut up and stop telling those of us who live in poor and diverse areas that we are racist!

It’s not racist to try and get a grip on an out of control system.

Exactly the same for my husband's grandparents, right down to changing their name by deed poll to an English name and spoke only English at home.

Now personally I do believe that families should retain some of their heritage, but anyone emigrating to a country needs to assimilate into the host nation. Learn the language, work and integrate into society and adopt the host country's values. The same should be for Brits emigrating abroad.

Yes this, people who have other options generally choose not to continue to work in those conditions.

I'd love all the people saying 'why don't British citizens work in care' go and do a couple of shifts and then see how easy / rewarding it is.

I've worked in a professional managerial job and I've also worked in a working class job (not care, which is even harder) and despite the crappy pay the latter was harder, far less rewarding and enjoyable.

People who stick the care sector and truly look after their patients (not all do) deserve really decent salaries. They should be trained to understand the conditions they are dealing with and have professional standards.

There are some terrible things happening in care homes and the people they are happening to cannot speak out nor can the workers. We need journalists to focus on this and do some proper investigative journalism on an ongoing basis as well as 'follow the money' type investigations rather than constantly being obsessed by Trump and Farage.

There are some people who will really not be suited to these roles and should not do them for the safety of the people they're caring for.

And the regulators like the CQC are basically completely useless and turn a blind eye. We all know how shit conditions are. It's not a mystery.

Agree.

personally I think social care should 100% fall under the NHS. It should be professionalised. I would pay an extra 1% on NI to fund it. It should not fall to untrained, minimum wage employees.

"destroying the fabric of this country"

Immigrants are not responsible for your shitty quality of life.

The vast majority of them are working legally, paying taxes, living peacefully alongside their neighbours and doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Irregular migration ('illegal immigrants') made up less than 5% of the total immigration numbers last year. They are also not responsible for the fallout of 14 years of blistering austerity and growing inequality.

My husband's been on the receiving end of racist abuse from white working class men. Does that mean he's allowed to call out white working class men as a group for being racist
Where have you been for the past 20 years?

The vast majority of them are working legally
How would you know when the ones working illegally wouldn't be documented?

He’s woken up to some polling he doesn’t like. Whether Reform do better from it we’ll see. It’s likely.

Starmer said the UK couldn't afford an inquiry into the grooming gangs - it would have cost £5m. Yet we gave Pakistan £15m in aid. Where are those gang members now? How devastating for the white UK women those men raped and tortured.

At a recent inquiry, the question was asked to the Albanian Foreign Minister why are so many Albanian men, who are classed as criminals in Albania, are coming here on boats paying thousands of pound when could fly in for £28 and then seek asylum because Albania is classed as a safe country.

The answer - if they came through a UK airport they would be picked up straight away and refused entry.

Starmer has made it more difficult for the educated, law abiding 'foreigners' to come in and still done nothing about the unchecked men coming in on boats!

Careful now, your Islamophobia is showing.

I've lived here for 46 years (born here in fact) and while I agree it may be hyperbole to say all immigrants speak English fluently, my point is really about integration. Most speak English well,l. The fact that I've mentioned several nationalities, yet you've focused on one religion speaks volumes.

The road signs are all in English too, so not sure what you're alluding to there. Suits your narrative though i guess.

@QueenQueef25 I know an HR manager who trawled her local area (several towns) every year for workers at above minimum wage to grow vegetables, including year round jobs. Practically no takers, unfortunately. This is a true account and not shitty propaganda. I suppose it’s pretty hard work and some people may not be able to do it physically.

Also, tried getting a builder lately? A plumber or electrician? There are none and they charge more than doctors where I live. That will get worse.

Its great saying train our own but

a Much training is employer supported and you’ll be aware that in a recession, the training budget is raided first. Employees won’t train people they can buy in.

b. Many won’t take up the training

c Apprenticeship often have to stop courses as they can’t get placements.

How are you going to fix all this?

And anyway, it’s no excuse for abuse.

@BrightonEarlyOneSummerMorning

The vast majority of migrants have been INVITED here with a visa for specific legal employment.

Less than 5% of the total immigration number is made up of irregular migrants. Is it this group who you're accusing of working illegally in large numbers?

Or migrants who come here with a working visa?

Most of the UK is not built on.

There are reasons why these areas are as they are. The workers from former colonies were invited here.

Sorry it's far from ideal having ghettos but there we are.

I live in a very diverse (the council like to use the word "vibrant") mult-cultural poor inner city area. All the once affordable housing that used to be bought by first time buyers is now too expensive and when a house does come on the market it is bought by BTL landlords who then rent them out and turn then into unofficial HMOs. This leads to lots of rubbish, overflowing bins, pressures on our local services In the main people get along ok and quite honestly it was a relief when the horrible local boozer became a nosque as I feel far safer walking past that then a pub late at night What has been really difficult has been an influx of Roma people who do not seem to be part of the mainstream economy, the men seem horrible , my mate was called "ugly old bitch cunt" when she politely asked them to move from the pavement so she could get into the corner shop. The women congrate in one local park, the men in another, they spit seed shells everywhere, I have to sweep outside my house almost daily, they flytip (although to be fair it is not just them) and just seem to live outside the usual norms of society. They take the girls out of main stream education when they finish primary school, surely getting an education would be one of the benefits of living here. I know that they have a centuries old history of persecution and are generally seen as a problem throughout Europe but surely simply abiding by the basic standards of the country you have chosen to live in would make life a bit easier.

It happened in our town, too. They turned Santa's Grotto into Cinderella's Castle a mosque. People on Faceache were idiots "fuming".

@Cavello

"Learn the language, work and integrate into society and adopt the host country's values"

What values are those then?

I don't share the values of the vast majority of Reform or Tory voters, and I was born here to a white British family.

People are simply required to obey the laws of the land.

They're not required to share your values or mine or anyone else's.

I do believe too often for fear of not appearing accepting cultural practices that are not progressive are accepted by authorities

We are a progressive society, not perfect but there is a difference between accepting cultural differences and accepting poor cultural differences that is negative mostly to girls and women

it also holds back woman and girls integrating into our society