To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

some jobs are minimum wage job like retail shop floor work. Unskilled, easily interchangeable. Not much training required.

social care is a skilled job. It should be professionalised. Learning how to look after someone is more than ringing something up on a till.

I have said (please read previous posts!) that I think social care should be part of the NhS and I would absolutely pay a greater amount of NI to fund it. I think it is better to pay for our youth to train as carers and pay them what the role is worth rather than just going to another country and bringing people over to pay them less than market value.

was told by adults social care, in rural area, that they are SO Overwhelmed by migrants & their immediate needs that the born in UK British adult I support has been discharged, doesn’t have a social worker & can not have a social worker attend to their current issue because it’s not what they deem a crisis.

Desperately seeking social workers with language skills of languages not taught GCSE or a-level.

What is a crisis is the hundreds? Thousands? They are welcoming non working, non housed people to our already verging on bankrupt council.

The town is a Sanctuary now, welcomes all non citizens ‘ making them priority over existing settled citizen population.

100% shambles of a (national) policy.

I think there would be plenty of money if the care sector was made not for profit. Plenty of things are not for profit.

Agree with PP it could become part of the NHS.

Councils are going bankrupt because venture capital firms lend 'care companies' vast sums of money to set up / upgrade (often with not much actual change) with ridiculous interest rates. So vast sums of money are been fleeced from elderly (who then can leave nothing to the younger generation who can't then buy homes) and councils. The 1% are making a fat, fat profit from care. Some of the money goes offshore so isn't even taxed.

Care home directors make 6 figures some are conglomerate businesses.

A loft people do make money

Starmer doesn't run Wales the Senedd do 🙄

But this assumes that the people being shipped over from Ghana or wherever are any more invested in their caring role? Many will be here for the visa and to send money home.

They come because it is financially attractive - and its the pay/financial reward that’s at issue. British workers don’t want to do that kind of work for that level of pay. Whether we need to pay care workers more (no idea how that would be funded) or make benefits packages more limited (in amount or duration), I’ve no idea what the answer is.

A load of Labour MPs election campaign was based on preserving the WFP and how it would kill 3000 pensioners when the Tories scrapped it. The Tories never scrapped it but Labour did within months of taking power despite knowing it would kill 3000 OAPs. The whole lot of them are reprehensible.

In Leicester 43% of over 16s don't speak English a poll said. We're falling somewhere.

Excellent post.

Care work should be done by the family. We should look after our parents like we look after our children.
We would not rely on foreigners and the family home would stay in the family, instead of being sold for pennies to pay for care.

This

its completely different to cleaning or retail and factory work

I very much agree that it should be part of the NHS. I do not think that care of vulnerable people should be left to private companies, and I do not think that system works well for anyone (apart from the owners of the care companies)

I'm sorry but having dealt quite recently with a relative with dementia this just isn't possible for all. Dementia is a very difficult disease to manage and many family members will not be able to cope. They can require 24 hour care which one person simply can't do. Dementia patients can be aggressive and violent as well as paranoid. They can be virtually impossible to keep safe, and keep others safe, in a normal home.

And this is before you get to people having to pay their mortgage. My kids would be out of a home if I looked after my parents 100%.

Also, if you have children sometimes children will not be safe in the same place as a dementia sufferer. It's sad but unfortunately true.

You obviously chose to leave the UK, and set up a home with your foreign spouse?

What a naive statement. It takes two people these days to run a home both working full-time to provide a home for their children. How on earth do you take in a vulnerable aged parent and leave them alone all day.

The days of the house wife giving up work for children and parents are long gone.

The basic economics here is that Social Care is a public good and should primarily be funded through the tax system. Over the last 30 years, UK public opinion (to which the Political Parties respond) has settled around the idea that the typical worker shouldn't pay more than about 30% of their income in Tax/NI. Given current demographic changes, this isn't sustainable. If we want better social care we need to fund it in a way more like our neighbours do.

He’s not gone anyway near far enough in stopping immigration both legal and illegal.

needs to do much more and reduce legal to 100k a year and illegal to zero / stopping ALL benefits with be a start

I take it you haven't witnessed your previously happily married parents for 50 plus years be in physical danger and at absolute mental breaking point due to changes caused by one of them having dementia?

Are the pro Starmer supporters championing no more care visas up for this?

I thought of Enoch Powell too when I heard his speech.

Welcomed them have you??? 🙄

Have you not heard of the term ' micro aggression s', often used to convey subtle, barely there hints of intolerance/ racism? I don't dispute the pp experience - if you open your eyes you'll see it too. If a woman walks in an area of high immigration/ majority minority communities, wearing ' immodest ' clothing, she'll feel the burn of disapproval, the disgust in eyes, the disdain, the muttering of words which she may not understand. It can lends to a sense of unease, of not wanting to be there or to somehow question her choice of clothing as if it's ' wrong'. Obviously, it can happen the other way too, where a woman wearing hijab in a predominately white community area, may encounter the same feelings of hostility. If we can agree on the second example, it would be foolish to disregard the first, for that would be inherent bias. I'm never quite sure when politicians speak of integration, HOW, they hope to achieve this. The rolling out of British Values as part of the curriculum is a tick box exercise and yields little results ( it's embedded in lesson plans and I've delivered it). You can't change mindset, ideologies, prejudices as easy as saying ' forget all that, embrace and celebrate diversity ', people are complex beings, all with personal experiences that have shaped their viewpoints. I wish a politician of any party, could provide the answers.