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To lie to the school for DD?

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Ankther · 11/05/2025 17:05

DD is in Year 12. Her school runs a ‘Year 12 leadership day’ every year on the last day before May half-term with two half-day activities - usually army-style fitness and debating.

Dd certainly hasn’t been looking forward to this - not so much the debating part (she’s good at English/history and can put together strong arguments) but the army fitness element really isn’t her thing. She’s rubbish at PE but probably more to the point, she struggles socially, and just can’t get on board with ‘enforced fun’ type activities that require everyone to make a fool of themselves in front of others.

She previously had to do an army fitness afternoon in Year 9 - she had been begging me to let her skip it for weeks but I took the line that it’s important to do things that don’t come naturally to you and made her go in. Additionally, honesty is incredibly important to me and I’ve never been willing to lie to the school and tell them she’s ill when she isn’t. However, as soon as she got home she proudly told me that she’d done one activity and then told the teachers she felt dizzy and sat out the rest of the afternoon.

She hadn’t asked to skip the day this time around - I imagine she was planning to sit most of the fitness activities out again like she did in Year 9. However, she found out on Friday that the morning activity isn’t debating but instead a stand-up comedy workshop, which is her absolute worst nightmare. The prospect of having to stand up in front of her peers and try to tell jokes while no one laughs is totally terrifying and humiliating for her.

The usual lines about school preparing for you for adult life where you sometimes have to do things you don’t want aren’t going to work here - as she’s pointed out repeatedly, I’ve never had to do a stand-up comedy workshop or an army fitness day at work… When I tried to discuss it with her calmly this afternoon it ended up with her hyperventilating and having a full-blown panic attack. It took nearly an hour to get her breathing normally again.

She’s now said she simply isn’t going into school on that day, and it’s up to me whether I lie and tell them she’s ill, or if I tell the truth. She’s 17 and I can’t physically force her onto the school bus against her will, so I guess that’s the decision I have to make.

On the one hand, if I tell the school the truth, I worry that it will reflect badly on her - the school have been clear that they expect 100% attendance - and it could maybe even impact the reference they give her for her UCAS application next year (may well be paranoia on my part).

On the other hand, even if I say she’s ill, I’m fairly sure her teachers will see right through it - they know her and they’re fully aware this day is her worst nightmare. Plus she’s never missed school due to illness before so it would be pretty convenient for her to suddenly be ill now. And as I mentioned above, honesty is a key value of mine - I will find it very difficult to lie to the school, and I’m concerned that it’s Dd’s default response to get out of something she doesn’t want to do.

Would you lie to the school in this scenario?
(YABU = tell the school the truth / YANBU = lie and tell the school she’s ill)

OP posts:
Amiable · 12/05/2025 01:26

A panic attack is not a normal response, and absolutely warrants a day off. Plus your DD will really appreciate your support, which can’t be underestimated.

SD1978 · 12/05/2025 01:28

I do not make my kid join in these things. If it’s PE, different. The enforced physical fun. Nope. I wouldn’t do it if my workplace offered it, so I don’t force my kid to

TatteredAndTorn · 12/05/2025 03:21

The is no way that I’d make my DS do a stand up comedy day. I wouldn’t want to either and if I was forced to, I’d feign illness to get out of it too if there were no other way. Tbh I think forcing people to do stand up is more morally objectionable than “pulling a sickie” to get out of said stand up comedy. What a horrific thing to make someone do. I suspect that your daughter won’t be the only one suddenly unwell that day!

alwaysamused · 12/05/2025 03:31

Of course I'd lie for her. The activity they want her to doesn't matter at all. Not remotely. Does. Not. Matter. She misses out on nothing if she doesn't do it.

When telling the truth causes harm to our loved ones, that is the time not to tell the truth. This would cause her harm, so don't try to get high and mighty about it, just protect her from people who are trying to force her to do something which won't help her in any way and will cause her great distress.

I am glad she is not letting you or them force her to kowtow to this nonsense. Do the right thing and support your child over some nobodies who you will never see again once she moves on with her life.

Northernparent68 · 12/05/2025 10:03

What did you decide OP

Globules · 12/05/2025 10:25

No brainer to me.

Let your nearly adult daughter inform the college she will not be attending and why.

That's a far better life lesson to teach her than stand up comedy.

godmum56 · 12/05/2025 10:28

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:13

We had a boy at my sons school ( well two actually ) constantly conveniently being ill when things like this came up. Particularly CCF activities and residentials sleeping under makeshift canvases and generally climbing mud filled hills in the rain and eating army rations

Not everyone enthused about doing any of it but they all built a camaraderie in doing it together. A combined we’ll get through this and support each other in our pain.
Except of course the one than skived off. He struggled making friends before and did himself no favours in getting mum to get him out of the hard stuff. He never really survived well in the friendship department when everyone realised the game he and his mum played.

did they have to be CCF members?

DrPrunesqualer · 12/05/2025 10:37

godmum56 · 12/05/2025 10:28

did they have to be CCF members?

In some years yes. ie ages 13-15/16
In 6th form they had a choice between CCF and hands (which is voluntary stuff ) and another I think that I can’t remember tbh.

godmum56 · 12/05/2025 10:42

DrPrunesqualer · 12/05/2025 10:37

In some years yes. ie ages 13-15/16
In 6th form they had a choice between CCF and hands (which is voluntary stuff ) and another I think that I can’t remember tbh.

thats a bit strange having to do military stuff?

DrPrunesqualer · 12/05/2025 10:44

godmum56 · 12/05/2025 10:42

thats a bit strange having to do military stuff?

Not really.
They went to two different schools. Both did the same.
Both Private

CCF started in senior school, not prep

godmum56 · 12/05/2025 10:46

DrPrunesqualer · 12/05/2025 10:44

Not really.
They went to two different schools. Both did the same.
Both Private

CCF started in senior school, not prep

Edited

oh that explains it, presumably it was part of the prospectus and people knew it would happen.

DrPrunesqualer · 12/05/2025 10:47

godmum56 · 12/05/2025 10:46

oh that explains it, presumably it was part of the prospectus and people knew it would happen.

Yes
It’s very traditional for Private Schools to do CCF employing Army Officers to run the programme

its where a lot of our NCOs come from

HateThese4Leggedbeasts · 12/05/2025 10:50

It's one day so I would report her as sick and move on. Don't be honest with any teacher and the school really can't do much about it if her attendance is otherwise good.

Not many people would enjoy the pressure of being funny on stage in front of their peers. They could have done something less pressurising like a drama workshop with a group skit instead and it would achieve a similar aim of building confidence but be more inclusive.

PurpleThistle7 · 12/05/2025 10:54

I think a lot of the people encouraging you to force her to attend don't have children with anxiety. If your child has struggles like this and there are other things that she needs to push through then it's all about picking the battles that really matter and letting some things go.

My daughter is autistic and has anxiety so we have given up on forcing her to try clothes that she will hate (leggings and the same exact trainers in various sizes for years now). We have given up on bringing her to really chaotic, loud places (as much as we can anyway) as she will just melt down. We have not given up on dentist appointments, attending lessons, doing her homework... etc., etc., etc. But I honestly have a limit on how much I can support her through each day and she has a limit on how much she is capable of ignoring her fight/flight instincts and maintain some level of stability.

So for something totally random and very, very avoidable... I just won't die on this hill. Her anxiety meant she would never let me pull her out of sports day but I offered every, single year as it was genuinely traumatic for her and we had to deal with it for days before and after - for absolutely no reason at all. Therefore I think it's up to your daughter - if this is something she has asked to skip, and she doesn't ask often, then I would make it happen however sits best for you.

Sounds like this is the end of her time at this very bad setting so no reason to drive yourself crazy to teach her a lesson for something that will never matter again.

NewtonsCradle · 12/05/2025 11:07

Annascaul · 11/05/2025 19:26

Why the assumption that someone struggling academically will automatically be good at sport and comedy??

Because the teachers will have chosen activities suitable for the pupils who they know struggle academically. The last day of term you boost the self esteem of those who struggle academically in the hope they do some revision instead of feeling too bad to even try.
Teachers don't decide on activities randomly they are professionals trying to get their job done while parents don't seem to think about what the objectives are... If I have to write a reference for someone who has no clubs, poor academic performance etc what can I say... Maybe that they're an outstanding athlete or that they have great presentation and creative skills?

Memorable · 12/05/2025 11:14

Absolutely pull her out and back her. What a ghastly thing to force them to do. What on earth are they thinking?

Oddsocksanduglyshoes · 12/05/2025 11:21

You don’t need to lie if it make you u comfortable. Just tell them she won’t be coming in for mental health reasons.

Lavenderfowl · 12/05/2025 11:26

DS can get extremely anxious about things, but I absolutely wouldn't pull him out of this, and would encourage him to attend but say if he hates it once he's there, he can ring me to come and get him - it's a workshop, not a stand-up mic session. I imagine the skills gained would be fast thinking, listening/reading the room, being topical, talking about something that you know nothing about...all potentially useful stuff in the real world, and as a PP has said, quite possibly more within reach of, and useful to, kids who aren't as academically strong as some of their peers.

I would hate the idea of it too, and I would hate the army thing even more, but teaching kids that they can dip out of anything they don't like the sound of is not ideal. Particularly as your DD is having a panic attack just at the thought of it, surely that's just going to confirm her fear that there is something to be scared of...and what if she one day wants a job where she has to stand up and present in front of complete strangers?

I'm not un-sympathetic, it's just that life doesn't work like that, you can't just avoid things you don't enjoy otherwise your world gets smaller and smaller...and I'm mum to a boy whose anxiety sometimes rules what we can and can't do, so I do get it...but sometimes we just have to do what we had planned, and nine times out of ten he finds it wasn't as bad as he feared it would be, and thus gains confidence in himself having made that discovery.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 12/05/2025 11:31

This is a Year 12 leadership day - ie kid who are academic enough to be in the sixth form doing A-levels so not sure it's a day for kids who aren't academic.

It doesn't sound well pitched or explained way OP explains it.

DS Y13 college team building/bonding physics trip was a meet up at local escape rooms and do that and a meal after.

I think a lot of the people encouraging you to force her to attend don't have children with anxiety. If your child has struggles like this and there are other things that she needs to push through then it's all about picking the battles that really matter and letting some things go.

This - sometimes we have to insist or there are clear benefits.

I don't see huge advantages here.

DH walked out on work team building events - he got promoted twice since then - sometime not playing along has no real repercussions.

VickyEadieofThigh · 12/05/2025 11:48

As a former secondary headteacher, I was all ready to tell you never to lie on your child's behalf and make her go in.

But the day sounds horrendous! I would have hated it (and I liked games at school), especially the "stand-up comedy workshop".

If she doesn't want to go, don't make her.

BassesAreBest · 12/05/2025 12:27

teaching kids that they can dip out of anything they don't like the sound of is not ideal

Why? There are things I refuse to do as an adult, so why should a 17 year old - very nearly an adult, and with presumably a mind of her own - have less of a say?

It’s not as though stand up comedy or army exercises are essential life skills.

PurpleThistle7 · 12/05/2025 12:47

I insisted my daughter go on a school trip in P7 - absolutely insisted on it despite her intense, dramatic insistence that it would be terrible. And she was right. I was wrong. For specific reasons around her anxiety she was absolutely correct that this specific trip would be triggering and it was 10x worse than either of us could have pictured. It didn't improve her life at all to get pushed into a corner and forced to participate and it is one of my huge regrets as a parent. She was 11 and knew herself and the situation best, and since then I do trust her to tell me when something is absolutely not right for her. She doesn't do it often, and usually her sort of anxiety means she's equally distressed at missing out on anything so usually pushes through (so we can pay for it later), but if she asks to skip something I trust her.

At 17... that's pretty much an adult and she should have the last call on this. It sounds like this school is a really bad fit for her but it's almost over so you might as well just let her manage this as she sees fit. She sounds really unlikely to get a job where this sort of forced socialising would feature (I've managed to avoid it all my life!) so it won't even teach her anything useful.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 12/05/2025 12:53

Octavia64 · 11/05/2025 17:06

Tell school she is ill and that the illness is she had a panic attack.

This. The thought of having to take part in a stand-up comedy workshop is giving me palpitations.

When I was 17 and in my last year at school, the headmaster wrote to my parents because I'd skipped Scottish country dance practice. Obviously the bloody Gay Gordons and the Dashing White Sergeant were of critical educational importance. I don't think my parents even bothered responding.

Pieceofpurplesky · 12/05/2025 16:24

I imagine there will be a lot of illness that day. I’m a teacher and that is my worst nightmare.

TwinklySquid · 12/05/2025 18:09

If she’s old enough not to be forced on to a school bus, she’s old enough to call the school herself and explain as well as deal with the consequences.
I bet there are loads of kids who think this is their worst nightmare but will still go. I hated standing up and talking, but eventually got less stressed by doing it more often. My best tip is to go first. Get it out of the way an no one remembers as they are all too nervous themselves.