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AIBU?

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To lie to the school for DD?

276 replies

Ankther · 11/05/2025 17:05

DD is in Year 12. Her school runs a ‘Year 12 leadership day’ every year on the last day before May half-term with two half-day activities - usually army-style fitness and debating.

Dd certainly hasn’t been looking forward to this - not so much the debating part (she’s good at English/history and can put together strong arguments) but the army fitness element really isn’t her thing. She’s rubbish at PE but probably more to the point, she struggles socially, and just can’t get on board with ‘enforced fun’ type activities that require everyone to make a fool of themselves in front of others.

She previously had to do an army fitness afternoon in Year 9 - she had been begging me to let her skip it for weeks but I took the line that it’s important to do things that don’t come naturally to you and made her go in. Additionally, honesty is incredibly important to me and I’ve never been willing to lie to the school and tell them she’s ill when she isn’t. However, as soon as she got home she proudly told me that she’d done one activity and then told the teachers she felt dizzy and sat out the rest of the afternoon.

She hadn’t asked to skip the day this time around - I imagine she was planning to sit most of the fitness activities out again like she did in Year 9. However, she found out on Friday that the morning activity isn’t debating but instead a stand-up comedy workshop, which is her absolute worst nightmare. The prospect of having to stand up in front of her peers and try to tell jokes while no one laughs is totally terrifying and humiliating for her.

The usual lines about school preparing for you for adult life where you sometimes have to do things you don’t want aren’t going to work here - as she’s pointed out repeatedly, I’ve never had to do a stand-up comedy workshop or an army fitness day at work… When I tried to discuss it with her calmly this afternoon it ended up with her hyperventilating and having a full-blown panic attack. It took nearly an hour to get her breathing normally again.

She’s now said she simply isn’t going into school on that day, and it’s up to me whether I lie and tell them she’s ill, or if I tell the truth. She’s 17 and I can’t physically force her onto the school bus against her will, so I guess that’s the decision I have to make.

On the one hand, if I tell the school the truth, I worry that it will reflect badly on her - the school have been clear that they expect 100% attendance - and it could maybe even impact the reference they give her for her UCAS application next year (may well be paranoia on my part).

On the other hand, even if I say she’s ill, I’m fairly sure her teachers will see right through it - they know her and they’re fully aware this day is her worst nightmare. Plus she’s never missed school due to illness before so it would be pretty convenient for her to suddenly be ill now. And as I mentioned above, honesty is a key value of mine - I will find it very difficult to lie to the school, and I’m concerned that it’s Dd’s default response to get out of something she doesn’t want to do.

Would you lie to the school in this scenario?
(YABU = tell the school the truth / YANBU = lie and tell the school she’s ill)

OP posts:
HolidayHell2025 · 11/05/2025 19:34

She is being a wet blanket. You have to do things your not comfortable with all your working life. Your setting her up for failure. And reinforcing lieing.

AthWat · 11/05/2025 19:36

I'd just say she was ill. But if I didn't want to tell such a simple and harmless lie for my child due to some misguided perception of my own integrity, I'd tell the school I wasn't letting her go because I didn't want her forced into things she hates, which would be true.

InSpainTheRain · 11/05/2025 19:39

I'd just call in and say she's sick. I would never call in it for any actual lessons like science, maths etc but luckily my DS wanted to go to those. But for sports days or similar I would call in (the comedy thing sounds awful by the way who thought of that?!)

Birdseyetrifle · 11/05/2025 19:41

I’m loud and hilarious but no way would I do this. I’m 52 and apart from to get on a table a tell a few jokes while in the Army (not even kidding!) I’ve never had to do stand up comedy.
No way would I send my child in for this rubbish.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/05/2025 19:44

In a poll of the scariest things, the number one reason was public speaking.
Death, was Number Two.

So, people would rather be in the coffin than give the eulogy.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 11/05/2025 19:46

Are the teachers who decreed such an activity sadists? Because it sounds like that to me!

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 11/05/2025 19:47

GloriousGoosebumps · 11/05/2025 19:26

What's workshopping and why would the school describe it as a stand-up comedy workshop if it isn't?

well it is a workshop and therefore they are doing workshopping.
it will mean they will have different exercises to do and probably some people may stand up and do things but not all.
I imagine it will be good for developing public speaking skills - things like how to stand up on stage, how to engage an audience, how to speak confidently. The comedy element is probably just a minor element.

Seventree · 11/05/2025 19:48

No one should be forced to do stand up comedy, that's ridiculous! If they wanted 100% attendance they should have picked something less mortifying.

I wouldn't even feel like I was lying by telling the school she was ill, she's having panic attacks about going. That's reason enough to take a sick day.

SeriousTissues · 11/05/2025 19:48

Just tell them she’s ill. I’ll be doing that for sports day as it causes weeks of anxiety for my daughter and school haven’t been understanding of her needs in the past, so I don’t really care!

3awesomestars · 11/05/2025 19:48

At 17 she is old enough to make her own mind up. She needs to own that though and phone herself and say why she is not going (illness/anxiety fine) at aged 17 you shouldn’t be doing that for her. Or worrying whether you should ‘lie’ you should not do that and let her deal with it however she chooses.

Teenybub · 11/05/2025 19:49

As an adult, I would ring in sick for that. I would blame anxiety as the reason.

aylis · 11/05/2025 19:50

I've very rarely had to do anything in any of my jobs in nearly 30 years that make me uncomfortable or that I wouldn't raise as making me uncomfortable. It's not an excuse for strong-arming 17 year old school kids into situations they find excruciating.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:51

JoyousEagle · 11/05/2025 19:31

But that’s a very different situation to a 17 year old missing one thing for the first time..

OP stated other occasions. I recal one where they didn’t do the afternoon for example.
So not a one off.

DeepTurtle · 11/05/2025 19:53

What a horrendous sounding thing to ask a group of school kids to do. I’d be honest- and tell them how ridiculous I thought the event was. if a school does a play for example- everyone is expected to take part and get involved- but that’s as much behind the scenes stuff if standing up in front of a crowd isn’t the right thing for someone. Is there an option for this?
But if not… tell them honestly- as in- my daughters anxiety about this is having an adverse effect on her concentration, desire to come to school, general wellbeing. Being ill isn’t just physical illness.

Robogob · 11/05/2025 19:54

I’d lie in a heartbeat. Fuck that shit.

ilovesooty · 11/05/2025 19:54

Topseyt123 · 11/05/2025 18:22

OK, in that case I would phone her in absent and tell them the truth about the severe anxiety this foolishness of theirs is causing.

Agreed. Tell them she isn't going in and why.

Perplexed20 · 11/05/2025 19:57

Has the school outlined what's involved? These things are usually a combination of different things and rarely anything that exposes people.

If they haven't said, they really should.

Devonshiregal · 11/05/2025 19:58

I think your daughter is great - she’s 17 years old and she knows what she doesn’t like to do. She isn’t trying to force herself into a mold. She isn’t trying to force herself to participate in something out of peer (or teacher or society) pressure. Good for her and support her I say. She’s already got further than most of us have when we’re 30. Knowing what you DON’T want, what you’re NOT good at, is half the battle. You don’t need to lie, she is so unhappy about doing this she had a huge panic attack! That’s unwell enough. But lying also isn’t black or white - I mean, lying can save your life when you’re a woman. Many of us have been there. Why care what the school thinks? Only care what she thinks.

DressOrSkirt · 11/05/2025 20:00

She is ill though, she's already had a panic attack over this. It's none of their business what kind of illness she has.

Jenninne · 11/05/2025 20:03

Phone in sick for her and lie, nobody will remember that in a few months, stand-up comic day, I would hate it too...

LazJaz · 11/05/2025 20:05

Can’t really believe what I’m reading on this thread.
i am so sorry your DD is having a panic attack about this - it I think this is a really important teaching moment.
as women we spend a lot of our lives paralysed by fear - we have got it in our heads that “failure” is the same as being attacked by a tiger and the fear feels very real and bodily. But … the consequences are not the same.
we don’t come first in the burpees challenge… we live —- and more importantly we tried
we told some jokes that bombed … no one dies. Actually maybe some do laugh a lot, and maybe it turns out we actually quite like that feeling of making people laugh. We take part in the debate and we get a few cheers from our classmates and maybe even land a punchline… and from that entire experience we learn a great deal about ourselves.
Yes we succeed from building from strength as people but at 17 your daughter is not yet finished her growth phase - there are so so so many things she may be brilliant at but not yet know she is because fear is holding her from giving it a go, and maybe her expectations are unrealistic too. No one is perfect the first time (or even the 100th)

Life (particularly early life but all life IMO) is for learning and trying, getting it wrong and getting back up. If we let anxiety dictate what we try, we will try very little indeed and lead small lives of frustration.

So how to prepare her … let her watch some Carol Dweck on YouTube and tell her that you’re proud of her for giving it a go and teach her some fear diffusion techniques … huge life lessons here all available for free

TheWombatleague · 11/05/2025 20:05

HolidayHell2025 · 11/05/2025 19:34

She is being a wet blanket. You have to do things your not comfortable with all your working life. Your setting her up for failure. And reinforcing lieing.

Like learning to spell?

Isthiscorrect · 11/05/2025 20:13

Tbh I’d say go. What would be the consequence if at school she said thanks but no thanks. She could stand up and walk out. No one can physically restrain her. Wouldn’t imagine for one moment the school would give a poor ucas reference based on this one day. It wouldn’t work well for them that she didn’t get the best opportunities possible. Sure she has to learn that you can’t always pick and choose but really schools
do a lot of shit things that kids hate. Look at all the threads on here about sports day. Generally in work life there is some sort of compromise.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/05/2025 20:15

TheWombatleague · 11/05/2025 20:05

Like learning to spell?

😂 Touché!

Vivienne1000 · 11/05/2025 20:18

JustMarriedBecca….depends on the course. If it’s a tough course, which requires an interview, then they definitely read the statement. I always remember a professor of medicine, saying at an open day ‘ I am not interested in those people whose parents have paid them to do some volunteering in Gabon, I want to see the kids who slogged week in week out. Maybe a job at Tesco and some volunteering once a week’.
One of my daughters chose Chemical Engineering and her statement was dissected during the interviews.

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