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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 20:10

ssd · 11/05/2025 20:05

Wasn't it reported that the hostages families are furious with Netanyahu and his government as they feel they haven't done enough to support the hostages and he is all about saving his own career and continuing the genicide?

There were protests last night against Netanyahu in Israel for this reason.

RoadtoVima · 11/05/2025 20:25

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 18:53

This is a really appalling post on a thread I already thought had some of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on mumsnet

Such breathtaking callousness. This poster and another in particular are vile in their attitudes.

I stay off these threads nowadays and am berating myself for coming onto this one.

Absolutely nothing justifies what Israel is doing. Nothing.

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 20:26

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 15:25

But are you disputing the truth of it?

VILE. And not worthy of any further response

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 20:44

Was it ever really about the hostages though? The situation has given Netanyahu the perfect excuse for clearing out a problematic area of the region then claiming the land for themselves. Releasing any hostages won't stop the killing. Anyone who believes otherwise is either lying or deluded. It's a cruel, cynical ploy by Netanyahu.

inamarina · 11/05/2025 20:57

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 20:44

Was it ever really about the hostages though? The situation has given Netanyahu the perfect excuse for clearing out a problematic area of the region then claiming the land for themselves. Releasing any hostages won't stop the killing. Anyone who believes otherwise is either lying or deluded. It's a cruel, cynical ploy by Netanyahu.

See, what I find cynical is to somehow twist Hamas attacking Israel on October 7th into „a perfect excuse for Netanyahu“.

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 11/05/2025 20:57

There were approximately 10,000 Palestinians held in Israeli prison, most without charge, before October 7th, some of them since childhood.

When people call for the release of the hostages, I do hope they also mean the Palestinians unlawfully held without charge, some for many, many years (technically they are hostages, not prisoners because thry haven'tbeen on trial).

Dr Abu Safiya is still detained without charge and witnesses say he is being tortured.

Israel is certainly losing public support. Both Alistair Campbell and Tory MP Mark Pritchard spoke out against Israel's actions this week.

https://www-middleeastmonitor-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250508-british-tory-mp-withdraws-support-for-israel-over-gaza-genocide-urges-uk-to-be-on-the-right-side-of-history/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17469932061536&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.middleeastmonitor.com%2F20250508-british-tory-mp-withdraws-support-for-israel-over-gaza-genocide-urges-uk-to-be-on-the-right-side-of-history%2F

A Palestin8an doctor was reported to have been raped to death by the IDF according to Amnesty and other sources

https://www-tbsnews-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/gaza-doctor-raped-tortured-death-israeli-custody-new-report-reveals-996631?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_ct=1746993007818&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17469930054348&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tbsnews.net%2Fhamas-israel-war%2Fgaza-doctor-raped-tortured-death-israeli-custody-new-report-reveals-996631

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 21:00

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smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 21:13

inamarina · 11/05/2025 20:57

See, what I find cynical is to somehow twist Hamas attacking Israel on October 7th into „a perfect excuse for Netanyahu“.

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Cynically realistic I'd say. He's leader of a far right government isn't he? They're not really known for being ethical or fair minded. Opportunistic though. One can hardly say he's not benefiting from the 'situation'. Time will tell of course.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 21:28

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This is absolutely deranged

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 21:30

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Do you think any other countries are 'evil' by the way or just Israel?

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 21:34

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 21:30

Do you think any other countries are 'evil' by the way or just Israel?

Evil leadership? Many countries.

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Comedycook · 11/05/2025 21:39

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 21:34

Evil leadership? Many countries.

I wasn't asking you. I was asking the poster who has declared that "Israel is evil". Big difference between criticising leadership or government and declaring an entire nation as evil.

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 21:39

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 20:00

It's not why they are doing it.

Netanyahu is on record for saying they will not stop even if hostages are released

Saying it's about hostages makes it more sanitised for the countries that support them because the real reason isn't half as easy for the public to support them.

So why don’t they make it harder for the countries that support Israel by releasing the hostages anyway?

Miri13 · 11/05/2025 21:40

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And when you say "they deserve it" who is "they"?

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 21:47

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I'm literally just responding to the three words they said "Israel is evil". That's hardly me twisting anything. We all have free will. They chose to write that.

stomachamelon · 11/05/2025 21:53

I would be interested to know who the ‘they’ are too @Comedycook

Hiddenmnetter · 11/05/2025 21:54

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Why is Israel worse than North Korea? I mean NK is pretty bad- killed literally millions of their own people. Starved, brutalised, threatened nuclear war, regional destabilisation…

ssd · 11/05/2025 21:56

Comedycook, you seem determined to put words in people's mouths. Its as if you are wanting people to say something antisemitic so you can leap on people in glee. Unfortunately for you, no one is antisemitic here. No one wants to see any civilians suffering, whether they are from Israel or Palestine. Everyone was appalled at the horrific violence of 7/10 but feel Israels response has been barbaric.

But you don't want to hear that.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 22:00

ssd · 11/05/2025 21:56

Comedycook, you seem determined to put words in people's mouths. Its as if you are wanting people to say something antisemitic so you can leap on people in glee. Unfortunately for you, no one is antisemitic here. No one wants to see any civilians suffering, whether they are from Israel or Palestine. Everyone was appalled at the horrific violence of 7/10 but feel Israels response has been barbaric.

But you don't want to hear that.

They said "Israel is evil". If they don't want that challenged or discussed they shouldn't have posted it. What words am I putting in anyone's mouth? I'm literally quoting them.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 22:02

And I'm pretty sure if someone said "Palestine is evil" they'd be challenged.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 22:03

ssd · 11/05/2025 21:56

Comedycook, you seem determined to put words in people's mouths. Its as if you are wanting people to say something antisemitic so you can leap on people in glee. Unfortunately for you, no one is antisemitic here. No one wants to see any civilians suffering, whether they are from Israel or Palestine. Everyone was appalled at the horrific violence of 7/10 but feel Israels response has been barbaric.

But you don't want to hear that.

Comedy is picking up on the fact people are saying Israel
rather than the accepted CEM thread terms of

Israeli Government
IDF
Netanyahu
etc
Comedy is trying to catch people out despite the use of this term has been let go for 17 pages so far on this thread.
No one seems to be upset by its use and not even Comedy up until this point.

Interesting

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