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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 16:15

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 15:36

Replaced implies repudiated usually- as in, you get rid of something and then replace it with something else

Would you feel the same if a right-wing group had a founding charter that called for the murder of all black people, but then replaced it with a new charter that didn’t say that - but never apologised for, or actively repudiated, the old one?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:25

CallMeMabel · 11/05/2025 14:05

Your posts are dripping with hatred.

You should always report hateful posts.
But don’t be surprised if MN’s definition of hate differs to yours.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:26

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 14:05

I suppose we have to accept in a free world that some people have very low standards in terms of what is hateful and what isn’t.

Yes we do. Antisemitism being one

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:27

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:26

Yes we do. Antisemitism being one

One example of so many
including starving civilians in this case ie the thread subject.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:28

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 14:11

Hamas has offered the hostages.
Israel doesn’t want them, Israel broke the ceasefire

Keep up

You really need to have a think about where you get information.

Those poor kind Hamas terrorists just want to help the Jews they’ve kidnapped and tortured right

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:28

Throwawayyyy · 11/05/2025 14:12

Surely supporting torture in any form is hateful though?

Unless it’s Jews apparently, then they brought it on themselves and it “didn’t erupt from nowhere”

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:31

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🥱 What do you think will happen to Jewish people if Palestine and Hamas is allowed to take the land “From the river to the sea”? Ethnic cleansing is fine if it’s Israelis right?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:32

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 14:28

also returning the hostages would not end this- the stated aim is to remove Palestinians from the Gaza Strip

Do you support Hamas?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:32

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 14:28

That information comes from the Israeli government, who cannot be trusted, having been found to lie repeatedly.

You say Hamas are cruel for stealing from aid trucks, can I ask then what words you would use to describe the IDF massacring civilians trying to collect food from an aid truck (well documented even by our rancid media) or bombing an aid truck and murdering the international aid workers in the process?

Aid workers have seen the thefts happen.

So you think a Jew hating terrorist group is to be trusted?

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:33

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:28

You really need to have a think about where you get information.

Those poor kind Hamas terrorists just want to help the Jews they’ve kidnapped and tortured right

Your post has nothing to do with mine.

Hamas agreed to swap hostages for Palestinian detainees

The Israeli Government broke that agreement.

They aren’t interested in their own people held by Hamas, they never have been. We all saw that with Netanyahus plans for Gaza at the UN general council in September 2023

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:33

Miri13 · 11/05/2025 14:31

There is a derogatory word that I absolutely hate and refuse to use. But I have found myself using it more and more, and it is exactly what Israeli settlers, the IDF and the Israeli government are, they are C**T’s!! I hope karma hits them big time.

I hope karma hits them big time.

What kind of karma do you hope for exactly?

Throwawayyyy · 11/05/2025 16:37

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:28

Unless it’s Jews apparently, then they brought it on themselves and it “didn’t erupt from nowhere”

I have repeatedly condemned both sides behaviour. Hamas’ acts have been horrific, as have Israel’s. Rape, torture and murder on both sides.

You can support a cause whilst also condemning their crimes.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:40

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 16:15

Would you feel the same if a right-wing group had a founding charter that called for the murder of all black people, but then replaced it with a new charter that didn’t say that - but never apologised for, or actively repudiated, the old one?

HonI stay I don’t know whether to pity or feel embarrassed for the people who swallow the blatant lies from terrorists. Like how thick can you be? Hamas given the chance would shit MN down in a minute and have gay people killed and women oppressed. They aren’t people’s friends and they aren’t the innocent hapless victims by nasty old Israel.

Embarrassed, actually. I feel embarrassed and almost quite alarmed at the general stupidity

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:41

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 14:36

In 1847 the British government exported food from Ireland while the people starved and called it a famine

In 2025 there are 3000 trucks lined up at a border and prevented from entering by Israel while starving people are metres away., calling it a famine now as well.

Seems humanity has not evolved at all in nearly 200 years.

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And why do you think aid isn’t allowed in?
Nobody seems to be answering this question

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:42

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:28

Unless it’s Jews apparently, then they brought it on themselves and it “didn’t erupt from nowhere”

And yet this whole thread has pro Israeli supporters unable to say that starving Palestinians in Gaza is evil.
Apparently it’s not as simple as that.
Apparently there are reasons which are more important than the very simple fact that it is Evil to starve civilians.

Who ever they are, there is never a good enough reason or justification to starve civilians.

and No
No one on this thread or any CEM thread has ever said or suggested that starving Jewish people is acceptable…….making out the Jewish people are the victims of the current starvation in Gaza is deflecting from the true horrors.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:44

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:41

And why do you think aid isn’t allowed in?
Nobody seems to be answering this question

The Israeli Government ( the far righters that is ) wants to starve everyone out.
Take Gaza as their own

Just as
Netanyahu declared in his own little map of the area before the war started.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:47

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:40

HonI stay I don’t know whether to pity or feel embarrassed for the people who swallow the blatant lies from terrorists. Like how thick can you be? Hamas given the chance would shit MN down in a minute and have gay people killed and women oppressed. They aren’t people’s friends and they aren’t the innocent hapless victims by nasty old Israel.

Embarrassed, actually. I feel embarrassed and almost quite alarmed at the general stupidity

No more embarrassed I dare say than by this post that seeks to put down and devalue the thoughts of others
You do know it doesn’t make your posts worthy when you deflect with attacks and demeaning comments.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:50

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And here we go again - antisemitism on MN ladies and gentlemen.

No it isn’t. Not even remotely the same - but it’s VERY telling that you’ve used this comparison, when I can’t image you’d use it regarding the many other countries that are being denied access to food.

Do you want to have a crack at why aid is being blocked?

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 16:53

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:31

🥱 What do you think will happen to Jewish people if Palestine and Hamas is allowed to take the land “From the river to the sea”? Ethnic cleansing is fine if it’s Israelis right?

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I mean Jews have been ethnically cleansed from most of the me and na countries... doesn't matter though and none of the western sheep give a toss.

Throwawayyyy · 11/05/2025 16:53

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:50

And here we go again - antisemitism on MN ladies and gentlemen.

No it isn’t. Not even remotely the same - but it’s VERY telling that you’ve used this comparison, when I can’t image you’d use it regarding the many other countries that are being denied access to food.

Do you want to have a crack at why aid is being blocked?

May I ask what your sources are please? Where do you get your information from? Thanks

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:56

Let’s not forget
This isn’t just food that the Palestinians are being denied.
Medical aid is also not making it in to Gaza

This from an article by Amnesty International 2nd May ( 2 months or so into the most recent blockade )

To think forced starvation is just plain evil!
DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:58

Here is the rest of the article dated 2nd May

To think forced starvation is just plain evil!
To think forced starvation is just plain evil!
To think forced starvation is just plain evil!
To think forced starvation is just plain evil!
JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 16:59

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 15:05

Israel has a propaganda department .

They increased the budget by 150 million this year.(Need to spend more the more crap you are doing)

So it is slightly disingenuous to use Hitler here as an example.

What is a propoganda department? Credible Source for this?

SpaceOfAides · 11/05/2025 17:10

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 16:33

Your post has nothing to do with mine.

Hamas agreed to swap hostages for Palestinian detainees

The Israeli Government broke that agreement.

They aren’t interested in their own people held by Hamas, they never have been. We all saw that with Netanyahus plans for Gaza at the UN general council in September 2023

You mean Hamas wanted to trade at a rate of one innocent hostage for hundreds of arrested and convicted terrorists, and Israel didn't agree? Shocking.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 11/05/2025 17:23

I agree with those says it’s possible to deplore both the actions of the Israeli govt and Hamas. And to want to support both the people of Gaza and the Israeli people (the ordinary people in both groups who maybe have elected govts at various points, but are suffering and may well not agree with the actions of their leaders).