To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

[Farticus101]

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

I know you said you won’t respond but I’m going to ask a question anyway (I have condemned both sides for the crimes they’ve committed, I am not coming at you from a place of anti-Isreal) but what do you think is really going on?

They don't need to . You can see on this thread they don't have to even pretend.

And the stated aim of Hamas is to obliterate all Israelis....

Glad you won’t respond with more drivel but I’ll believe my own eyes thanks and the hundreds of videos I’ve seen of kids with their brains splattered all over the ground and limbs blown off. Some of them still alive, screaming in agony. What a way to leave this world and the indifference (at best) to their suffering is disturbing.

And why would Western governments support them? The West is behind most of the atrocities that have ever been committed. What a silly thing to say.

Just one question....Would you prefer your daughter to live under the rule of Hamas or the rule of Israel?

But are you disputing the truth of it?

All Jews, actually (in their founding charter, which has been replaced but never repudiated).

What do you mean they've offered the hostages, as in put them in a car and driven them to the border? I didn't think so.

Mainly because all the journalists have been murdered and no more are allowed in

Clearly neither! One is a terrorist group and the other is a fanatical right wing government practising apartheid and genocide

Replaced implies repudiated usually- as in, you get rid of something and then replace it with something else

I doubt your question was posed in good faith, but I'll answer it anyway. The key difference is that if the adults of Gaza return the hostages and surrender unconditionally the war stops immediately. That wasn't an option for the Jews under Nazi Germany.

As I wrote before, the only way to stop the bloodshed in the long term is for one side to have a clear victory and the other side to acknowledge defeat. When the price of continued 'resistance', aka terrorism, becomes too high for the adults in Gaza and they will hopefully surrender, and from there in the rebuilding and healing can start.

We can only hope it happens sooner rather than later, but hey, they should be the ones to care the most about their own children.

The best place for Arabs to live in the Middle East, in terms of living standards, education, democracy, freedom etc, is actually in Israel. Ordinary Israeli Arabs (ie not oligarchs and rich elite) have it better than Arabs anywhere else in the Middle East.

I'm sure I will get slated for this, but isn't deliberately letting people starve to death on par with using gas chambers to kill innocent people during the Holocaust?

Fucking shameless comment

Apartheid....?! Tell me all about freedom of religion in other middle eastern countries...

The only thing forcing the Palestinian people into starvation is the Israeli Government.
You block aid and bomb humanitarian ships you commit a war crime. You starve innocents. You are the lowest of the low.

Do you really believe that? That if the hostages are returned and Hamas surrender, all conflict and persecution stops and Isreal will work peacefully towards a two state solution with equal rights for all?
I think most people believe that Israel’s most recent stated aim of eradicating Gaza of Palestinians, was always the aim.

Agree
even if that means starving them out Netanyahu and his evil war mongerers will carry on regardless.

Agree.
This post is one of the many low points of this thread

Israel doesn’t see them as important enough to take back.

Israel broke the ceasefire…..nothing new then.

Deflect deflect….any excuse!

This thread is about Gaza

Interesting how nobody can answer (except one person who said it would be a blood bath) what would happen if Israel couldn’t defend itself (and yes people have suggested that).

I think the bars of thinking on this thread believe because I haven’t rushed on with dramatic statements that I am justifying starvation. I’m not. But the blame cannot be on Israel for reasons already stated.

Meanwhile we have several posters justifying or downplaying October 7th, an attack where babies and toddlers were murdered and women were raped. What is your justification? Please tell us.

As for people saying those with opinions different to them should be deleted - go find an echo chamber elsewhere then. This is MN and a variety of opinions are allowed. Imagine being so arrogant you think you the The Only Right Opinion and everyone else should fall in line or STFU

Two state solution? Is there even anyone in Gaza who wants that? In any polls done to date, formal and informal, there has been extremely low support for a two state solution amongst the Palestinians. The vast majority want a 'free Palestine' from the river to the sea.

Surrender would mean accepting and acknowledging defeat. It would mean realising their stated aims are not going to happen, and relinquishing them. I think with time and good faith shown on their side, they could probably have some kind of semi-autonomy, perhaps similar to devolvement in the UK.

But what is certain is that the actual war stops as soon as they surrender fully and unconditionally. I don't think any sane person could deny that.

Ceasefire is suicide for Israel, and in the long run tragic for the Palestinians too. The government is quite right not to agree to one.

The way I see it there are 3 ways of looking at the killing of civilians in retaliation, where those civilians are connected by race, blood, ethnicity, territory etc to the perpetrators of an atrocity.

1. those who believe it is always wrong to kill someone in retaliation for anothers wrong doing, whether that's a terrorist group, national army or whatever. An innocent life is an innocent life regardless.

2. Those who believe it is OK to kill innocent people in specific circumstances as retaliation fall into 2 categories

A) those who believe in eye for eye, or to avenge their own type. They believe anyone of the race/ethnicity is fair game and believe in revenge as a concept. This means they will also condone mass killings in the future against those that are doing it now and so on.

B) people who don't believe in this as a concept but believe it's ok in this specific circumstance because they believe one race to be of more value and superior than the another.