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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Agrumpyknitter · 11/05/2025 14:10

It’s because they are brown babies. If they were white Ukrainian ones there would be uproar. We have become inured to seeing starving brown and black babies and children since the 80’s, during famines etc. That’s what Israel is counting on, that people just turn away. I have every sympathy for Israel to defend its citizens but this is beyond the pale. Hamas are deplorable letting their own citizens starve rather than give up the hostages. And the only ones suffering are the innocent babies and children who are caught in the middle.

JaneJeffer · 11/05/2025 14:10

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 14:05

I've seen images of emaciated children....none of adults.... except the hostages

If you look up famine in Gaza, you'll find articles and articles virtually every month since this conflict started saying that they're on the brink of famine, on the brink of no water, on the brink of no power....

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You don’t understand malnutrition at all do you?

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 14:11

Agrumpyknitter · 11/05/2025 14:10

It’s because they are brown babies. If they were white Ukrainian ones there would be uproar. We have become inured to seeing starving brown and black babies and children since the 80’s, during famines etc. That’s what Israel is counting on, that people just turn away. I have every sympathy for Israel to defend its citizens but this is beyond the pale. Hamas are deplorable letting their own citizens starve rather than give up the hostages. And the only ones suffering are the innocent babies and children who are caught in the middle.

Hamas has offered the hostages.
Israel doesn’t want them, Israel broke the ceasefire

Keep up

Throwawayyyy · 11/05/2025 14:12

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 14:01

Luckily, they respect freedom of opinion and speech (as long as nothing hateful or inciting hatred is posted). It seems you don’t.

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Surely supporting torture in any form is hateful though?

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 11/05/2025 14:12

inamarina · 11/05/2025 13:41

I’ve definitely seen comments on other threads claiming that the atrocities of October 7th “have been debunked”. Such comments get deleted promptly, and rightfully so, but they definitely do pop up occasionally.

Well we know the beheading of babies and putting them in ovens claim by Israel was a blatant lie.

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 14:13

CallMeMabel · 11/05/2025 14:05

Your posts are dripping with hatred.

In your mind.

YourHappyHarn · 11/05/2025 14:13

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Jerabilis · 11/05/2025 14:14

Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

Yes, it's been incredibly cruel how Hamas have stolen money and aid that was meant to go to the Palestinian people forcing them into starvation. Hopefully Hamas will be defeated soon

CallMeMabel · 11/05/2025 14:14

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Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 14:28

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 14:11

Hamas has offered the hostages.
Israel doesn’t want them, Israel broke the ceasefire

Keep up

also returning the hostages would not end this- the stated aim is to remove Palestinians from the Gaza Strip

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 14:28

Jerabilis · 11/05/2025 14:14

Yes, it's been incredibly cruel how Hamas have stolen money and aid that was meant to go to the Palestinian people forcing them into starvation. Hopefully Hamas will be defeated soon

That information comes from the Israeli government, who cannot be trusted, having been found to lie repeatedly.

You say Hamas are cruel for stealing from aid trucks, can I ask then what words you would use to describe the IDF massacring civilians trying to collect food from an aid truck (well documented even by our rancid media) or bombing an aid truck and murdering the international aid workers in the process?

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 14:29

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Miri13 · 11/05/2025 14:31

There is a derogatory word that I absolutely hate and refuse to use. But I have found myself using it more and more, and it is exactly what Israeli settlers, the IDF and the Israeli government are, they are C**T’s!! I hope karma hits them big time.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 11/05/2025 14:35

Tinyrabbit · 11/05/2025 13:12

Here's Abu selling cans of beef in the market in Gaza, timestamped a few days ago. He also has another video showing the type of powdered milk he prefers for making cheese - he has a choice of three different brands.
https://x.com/i/status/1921423745219981619
Now, if you've got this far and you're wondering where these videos come from - they're being posted onto social media by Gazans themselves who think that nobody notices and that no one else in the world can speak Arabic.
Big shout out to Imshin on Twitter (@Imshin), who does both.
There is no famine in Gaza.

You know people have different experiences don't you? I live in a nice house, I don't stress about energy bills or grocery costs. So Is it OK if I go to the media and say there is no COL crisis? And you are all a bunch of liars for suggesting there is because I am doing just fine thanks.

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 14:36

In 1847 the British government exported food from Ireland while the people starved and called it a famine

In 2025 there are 3000 trucks lined up at a border and prevented from entering by Israel while starving people are metres away., calling it a famine now as well.

Seems humanity has not evolved at all in nearly 200 years.

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TomeTome · 11/05/2025 14:44

I do think there comes a point where governments and people have demonstrated again and again that they cannot and will not behave in a humane way that we have to step in. I think that time has come. I don’t think Israel or Palestine can exist in this form going forward. It’s been a horrifying and disgusting thing to witness.

Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 14:45

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Elizacat · 11/05/2025 14:50

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 14:05

I've seen images of emaciated children....none of adults.... except the hostages

If you look up famine in Gaza, you'll find articles and articles virtually every month since this conflict started saying that they're on the brink of famine, on the brink of no water, on the brink of no power....

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Ah yes in Gaza the adults are all sat feasting whilst watching their children starve. Because of course they don’t care about their children like people in the West (white people?) do. I mean are they even human?!

Absolutely despicable post.

inamarina · 11/05/2025 14:54

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 11/05/2025 14:12

Well we know the beheading of babies and putting them in ovens claim by Israel was a blatant lie.

So no atrocities happened on October 7th, or what exactly is your point?
I wasn’t talking about any specific claims.
What do you think Hamas and their supporters did on October 7th?

Tryonemoretime · 11/05/2025 14:57

Isn't all information coming out of Gaza solely from Hamas?

Jujujudo · 11/05/2025 14:59

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:27

Can I ask what you think would happen is Israel was no longer able to defend itself?

Nobody cares. It’s pointless trying to argue with anyone. The lies and propaganda is so easily sucked up because people are so desperate to demonise this tiny country (and the Jews). I mean if any of the things written are true, do people really think the UK and US would be allies? I’m not going to reply to anyone responding to me either. I’m not going to give my time to people who ignore other conflicts and question the media, while singling out Israel and believing every vile word published. Remember how Hitler gained power? He controlled the propaganda against a group of people that society were desperate to hate.

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 15:01

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 14:50

Ah yes in Gaza the adults are all sat feasting whilst watching their children starve. Because of course they don’t care about their children like people in the West (white people?) do. I mean are they even human?!

Absolutely despicable post.

It reminds me of this obscene statement by UK lawyers for Israel

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/10/uk-lawyers-for-israel-condemned-over-claim-war-may-reduce-obesity-in-gaza

UK Lawyers for Israel condemned over claim war may reduce obesity in Gaza

Palestinian rights group says remarks criticising a Lancet analysis on impact of the conflict are ‘sickening’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/10/uk-lawyers-for-israel-condemned-over-claim-war-may-reduce-obesity-in-gaza

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 15:02

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 15:01

Mind blowing. That consumed by hatred that they’ve lost the ability to even pretend they’re not monsters.

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 15:05

Jujujudo · 11/05/2025 14:59

Nobody cares. It’s pointless trying to argue with anyone. The lies and propaganda is so easily sucked up because people are so desperate to demonise this tiny country (and the Jews). I mean if any of the things written are true, do people really think the UK and US would be allies? I’m not going to reply to anyone responding to me either. I’m not going to give my time to people who ignore other conflicts and question the media, while singling out Israel and believing every vile word published. Remember how Hitler gained power? He controlled the propaganda against a group of people that society were desperate to hate.

Israel has a propaganda department .

They increased the budget by 150 million this year.(Need to spend more the more crap you are doing)

So it is slightly disingenuous to use Hitler here as an example.