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Team day out without me

275 replies

Ereerenownow · 10/05/2025 16:04

Have just seen on social media that my entire team have been taken out as a treat by our manager. He has taken them to a local seaside resort for ice creams and general fun. I haven't been invited and didn't know anything about it. I'm the only one not there. We were all in the office yesterday and not a single person mentioned it.

OP posts:
JaniceLongSchlong · 10/05/2025 18:17

About 6 years ago my current team went on a weekend to Prague (inaugural flight route from our local tiny airport).

Normally my regular boss would have probably intervened if she caught wind of it but she’d just gone on maternity leave and the next “most timed served” senior wannabe offered to “step up” to look after the shop until a replacement (him) was formally appointed.

Mary46 · 10/05/2025 18:19

Horrible op. I would call it out. The others going along with it are as bad. Its hurtful.

SuperTrooper14 · 10/05/2025 18:21

What an absolute arsehole he is. This is straight up exclusionary behaviour, which is bullying in anyone’s book. I’d be tempted to message one of the colleagues on the trip to say I am gutted to not be invited but it’s probably better to raise a grievance with HR as this being the final straw and see if you can negotiate a payoff to leave. Threaten them with taking it further if you have to.

Ottertooth · 10/05/2025 18:24

Not nice at all, try to find out why you have been ostracised.
I personally wouldn't want to meet up with any of my colleagues, especially over the weekend for an ice cream jolly🙄.
There is definitely more going on behind your back unfortunately.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/05/2025 18:26

Arina22 · 10/05/2025 17:38

Could he argue that its his social time and he can hang out with who he wants outside of work hours?

When this happened to me in one job, thats what my manager said to me

Well he was wrong. If you were the only one left out and the whole team went at the behest of the manager and kept quiet about it, it’s workplace bullying.

Allseeingallknowing · 10/05/2025 18:28

OP- have your colleagues mentioned it to you? Were they not surprised you weren’t included.
it reminds me of the thread where a worker had been there for years and gave generously when the hat was handed round to collect for birthdays, but hers was forgotten.
It’s incredibly hurtful and isolating to be left out. Hope you do speak out or it will fester and eat away at you.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/05/2025 18:29

maythefirce · 10/05/2025 17:50

The key thing is a) is today a work day, and b) is it going through expenses.
Colleagues can meet in the weekend, and a manager can buy most of hid team an ice cream as long as its not a work event and he pays privately!
Not nice, but not bullying.
Worktime and/or expenses - very different!

Nope. Doesn’t matter. One person left out and everyone else keeping quiet. It’s straight up bullying in the workplace.

AngelicKaty · 10/05/2025 18:33

Rosscameasdoody · 10/05/2025 18:01

It’s bullying in the workplace OP. And I would let your manager know that you know, and that you consider it to be bullying. How long have you been there because if you have over two years service it’s actionable. If it’s bullying because of a protected characteristic like disability, race, sex or religion it’s actionable from the start of employment.

OP says she's worked for the company for 5 years, 2 years in her current team.

Ereerenownow · 10/05/2025 18:33

ForOliveMember · 10/05/2025 18:09

Have you ever been out with your colleagues socially OP? My guess is you don't like to go to these things and they have stopped asking.

Hi i actually have been out a few times with them, mainly, to be honest, so I wasn't accused of refusing social events and ostracising myself . Not recently as I didn't think anything was organised but possibly there have been social things happening and I've been missed out.

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Ereerenownow · 10/05/2025 18:34

Allseeingallknowing · 10/05/2025 18:28

OP- have your colleagues mentioned it to you? Were they not surprised you weren’t included.
it reminds me of the thread where a worker had been there for years and gave generously when the hat was handed round to collect for birthdays, but hers was forgotten.
It’s incredibly hurtful and isolating to be left out. Hope you do speak out or it will fester and eat away at you.

Nope, no one mentioned it to me x

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Allseeingallknowing · 10/05/2025 18:35

Good luck, and let us know how it goes.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/05/2025 18:39

AngelicKaty · 10/05/2025 18:33

OP says she's worked for the company for 5 years, 2 years in her current team.

So definitely actionable. HR if she has one and take it from there along with advice from ACAS as appropriate.

littlefireseverywhere · 10/05/2025 18:40

I think I'd either approach a friendly team member to see if they knew why you weren't invited or HR as its bullying, you wouldn't do this to others so its not acceptable for it to happen to you.So sorry, a toxic workplace is really difficult to navigate. Hope you get a resolution.

SurferRona · 10/05/2025 18:46

Ereerenownow · 10/05/2025 16:44

Full time, seconded x

Seconded? From where and why so long? Might this be a budget issue? Ie the organisation that employs you not paying for these jollys for you? Do you know what the t&cs are? Bit crap it was t mentioned to you though. I don’t think this is as simple a case as PPs suggest re exclusion and bullying if you aren’t in fact an employee.

CatG021024 · 10/05/2025 18:49

I would say this is actually an issue I would take up with HR, I would ask to speak to someone on Monday and ask for support to attend a meeting with your manager and lay this out. This is workplace bullying even if it happened outside of work imo.

Mummypie21 · 10/05/2025 18:51

If he had invited a few people he is close to in the team, that's different. Anytime, where everyone is included bar one is exclusion. Exclusion is bullying.

JorgyPorgy · 10/05/2025 18:51

Is there any thing different about you to rest of team eg age/ religion - ie I wonder if there is some discrimination going on? If not it’s just downright bullying. Your company will surely have a policy against this if you wanted to put in writing to HR.

Arina22 · 10/05/2025 18:55

florasl · 10/05/2025 18:02

No, you are completely legally incorrect and there is a significant amount of case law about this.

Leher vs Asper awarded the claimant £74k when she was excluded by colleagues from an informal social event organised by colleagues outside work, she was older than her colleagues (somewhat like OP being younger than her colleagues).

Edited

That was one case, and it made the news because it was such a rare event. That someone got damages for being excluded.

Im not saying the boss is right. I didnt even say that he would win a legal case if she brought a legal case against him.

I ssid that he could argue in court that he is allowed to socialise with who he wants outside of work hours.

OP could also argue from her side that there has been exclusion.

Its up to the court to decide then

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thepariscrimefiles · 10/05/2025 19:02

maythefirce · 10/05/2025 18:11

From th op‘s other posts, the group is a long established friendship group. They aren’t just work colleagues but share loads after work from what i understand. From all we know the team is this context is their pub quiz team.
A shit situation, but not necessarily bullying.
A group of colleagues who only meet at work, and ta about the event ag work - definitely bullying.
Here - not necessarily. i would be careful with bullying claims (unless they bring it up at work - that would make it bullying)

Edited

Even if this team is a long established friendship group, for the manager of the team to arrange a team day out and invite everyone except OP is bullying by exclusion according to ACAS and, as other posters have said, there is case law about this sort of scenario and the claimant won.

Arina22 · 10/05/2025 19:03

The day out sounds shit! Would you want to spend a whole day with people that dont really like you?

Work can be just for work.

Id hate to go for a day out with my colleagues.

LivelyMintViper · 10/05/2025 19:06

Please don't let them get away with this. Bullies always escalate unless stopped. I really feel for you. Sending moral support and hugs

Bellyblueboy · 10/05/2025 19:11

It’s not acceptable to exclude one member of the team. And it sounds like this day out was an extension of the workplace.

take screenshots, take notes, speak to HR.

overall it doesn’t sound like a healthy working environment for you. And while you might be in the right, in my experience you are best to move on rather that stay and fight. No one ever wins and these things can take over your life. And you are worth much more than that.

i have seen people dedicate years of their lives to getting ‘justice’. But it never resolved itself that way.

venusandmars · 10/05/2025 19:12

I'm usually a quiet person, don't add ripples to a pond... etc. But on this I'd go all in... in a BIG way. "Dear Manager (cc'd to all others), I'd delighted you had a good day out. Given I've been part of the team for x months, is there a reason why I was not included in the invitation?"

Sortalike · 10/05/2025 19:13

Arina22 · 10/05/2025 19:03

The day out sounds shit! Would you want to spend a whole day with people that dont really like you?

Work can be just for work.

Id hate to go for a day out with my colleagues.

But not being invited to join is the issue.

It seems this was a social event with the whole team being invited bar the OP. That is unacceptable, especially as I think we can assume everyone going, knew OP wasn't invited.

Deliberately excluding someone is disgraceful behaviour.