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To wonder what Starmer was thinking with this one

236 replies

sideeyes · 06/05/2025 19:39

Indian nationals being cheaper to hire in the UK? Not paying NI contributions? What is the massive gain we get from this? As a life-long Labour voter this is just another policy that makes me want to cry. He just doesn’t get it, does he?

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User37482 · 07/05/2025 07:00

I’m waiting to see what the deal is, I assume the UK will get some sort of benefit. Tbh though even if these are posted workers I don’t see it as helpful for British workers unless it results in billions in the UK coffers.

HellsBalls · 07/05/2025 07:00

Simonjt · 06/05/2025 23:18

About 300,000 permanent citizens in India, however temporary workers are recorded differently. I have quite a few colleagues who did six month stints in India, they aren’t part of the yearly resident figure in the same was as they’re essentially extended guests.

The vast majority are Indians who came to the UK, gained citizenship here, then went back to work or retire in India.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 07/05/2025 07:00

On the NHS thing , I'm not sure but I think they need to have private medical paid for by the employer.
In any case I imagine they mostly get treated back in India as a GP appointment on the NHS is like gold dust and any specialist appointment is a 12 month wait.

But Starmer can't say that.

User37482 · 07/05/2025 07:01

rockstarshoes · 06/05/2025 21:56

Do any of you watch the news?
USA have put a 25% tariff on cars exported from UK
this deal reduces the tariffs on the export of our high end cars to India from 100% to 10%

This will be another thread with with a faux naive opening post & a disappearing OP!

Thats actually really good to hear. I fucking loathe Labour at the moment but I’m behind anything that expands the UK’s exports.

User37482 · 07/05/2025 07:03

cardibach · 06/05/2025 20:58

It’s for Indian employees of Indian firms seconded to the U.K. Doesn’t affect U.K. employment at all.

Posted workers? I remember on of the problems with the EU posted worker scheme was people could be paid minimum wage of the country they came from so in theory a posted worker could be paid like 50p an hour. As long as minimum wage laws apply and theres no exploitation and we get good trade access for it then it may actually be a net benefit.

Leafy3 · 07/05/2025 07:04

The deal had been in the making for 3 years, which means the Tories are probably responsible for it's terms and all Starmer has done is take it over the line

Ohthatsabitshit · 07/05/2025 07:11

I think India is much bigger player than pps seem to understand.

HellsBalls · 07/05/2025 07:11

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/05/2025 23:15

Young, healthy workers don't tend to use the NHS much. Many may not use it at all.

There is a reason India has a population of 1.4 billion people. They have kids. Loads of kids. Kids and pregnant women use the NHS a lot.
Even if the NHS can back charge India for any care, it’s more people through the door adding pressure on the NHS resources.

Ryeman · 07/05/2025 07:13

I’m a Conservative/ Brexit voter and have no problem with this policy. I’m actually beginning to wonder if Starmer is a Tory in disguise. He seems to do good things regardless of his politics.

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 07:14

User37482 · 07/05/2025 07:01

Thats actually really good to hear. I fucking loathe Labour at the moment but I’m behind anything that expands the UK’s exports.

Yes this is the other side of the deal nobody here is talking about. The tariff cuts on lots of uk goods which will improve the export market to India and supposedly increase the uk economy by 4.8billion a year.

all those uk companies who are able to increase their amount of exported goods will need more uk staff.

obviously if India are cutting tariffs they do expect something in return. The clue is in the name of trade negotiations. The uk won’t get everything their own way.

any Indian nationals who come here not having to pay NI will still if employed by an Indian company be having the Indian version of NI paid to India by the company. Just means the company won’t be paying twice. No idea what happens if an Indian national is paid by a uk company. However they will still need a work visa. There’s no change to the visa requirement.

justkeepswimingswiming · 07/05/2025 07:15

Britain benefits largely from this, it also helps British workers in India. You’ve obviously read the daily hate mail and not bothered to research the fine print.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 07/05/2025 07:15

Leafy3 · 07/05/2025 07:04

The deal had been in the making for 3 years, which means the Tories are probably responsible for it's terms and all Starmer has done is take it over the line

Has he no agency then?

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 07:17

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😂. You think you’re so witty. I saw that exact same insult on another thread yesterday. Was that you too, is that your stock insult when you disagree with someone? Or are you copying someone else? Oh dear.

Most people on here happily discuss opposing views without flinging insults and being so rude. But you came right out the gate being nasty. You should really reflect on that. Are you this horrible to people in real life?

HellsBalls · 07/05/2025 07:18

justkeepswimingswiming · 07/05/2025 07:15

Britain benefits largely from this, it also helps British workers in India. You’ve obviously read the daily hate mail and not bothered to research the fine print.

Which British workers in India? All the travel to India that I know about is managers doing couple of weeks per year seeing the offshore teams.

HellsBalls · 07/05/2025 07:21

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 07:17

😂. You think you’re so witty. I saw that exact same insult on another thread yesterday. Was that you too, is that your stock insult when you disagree with someone? Or are you copying someone else? Oh dear.

Most people on here happily discuss opposing views without flinging insults and being so rude. But you came right out the gate being nasty. You should really reflect on that. Are you this horrible to people in real life?

Flinging insults? It was YOU who called @Keirawr a racist.
FFS!

Catsandcheese · 07/05/2025 07:24

It seems to me from reading this thread that a lot of people don't understand how global many companies are and how many employees of these companies relocate for jobs across the world.
These opportunities come with packages providing private healthcare and private school for their children.
The companies will rent high end housing for the duration.
This will literally have no effect on Joe Bloggs getting a GP appointment or cost this country money.
The deal with India has just made it easier for Indian employees to come here for 3 years, and vice versa.
Our company is growing enormously in India and I imagine there will be many opportunities coming out of this.
In addition a great boost for the economy with the reduction in tariffs.

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 07:26

HellsBalls · 07/05/2025 07:21

Flinging insults? It was YOU who called @Keirawr a racist.
FFS!

After she’d insulted me calling me a reform supporter, etc. yes I may have risen to her insults but I’m only human. I didn’t start it at all. She called me a hysterical Farage foot soldier 🙈😂. That’s a pretty big insult! Especially when I’m the opposite to Farage on the political spectrum

orangegato · 07/05/2025 07:27

It’s free to sack Lucy Powell why hasn’t he done that? Weak man.

Neemie · 07/05/2025 07:32

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 06:21

What? I’m the polar opposite of a farage voting Brexit supporter. 😂😂😂.

id have thought that people who disagree with me on this issue are the Farage supporters

It is the sneering ‘only thickos could vote for Reform/brexit/anything I disagree with’ attitude. It doesn’t win people over and makes you sound narrow minded and intolerant.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 07/05/2025 07:33

Catsandcheese · 07/05/2025 07:24

It seems to me from reading this thread that a lot of people don't understand how global many companies are and how many employees of these companies relocate for jobs across the world.
These opportunities come with packages providing private healthcare and private school for their children.
The companies will rent high end housing for the duration.
This will literally have no effect on Joe Bloggs getting a GP appointment or cost this country money.
The deal with India has just made it easier for Indian employees to come here for 3 years, and vice versa.
Our company is growing enormously in India and I imagine there will be many opportunities coming out of this.
In addition a great boost for the economy with the reduction in tariffs.

That’s one option.

The other would be for an Indian company to hire construction workers and ship then here where there will be cheaper to use with no private health perks.

I know which option is the most likely one.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 07/05/2025 07:33

Catsandcheese · 07/05/2025 07:24

It seems to me from reading this thread that a lot of people don't understand how global many companies are and how many employees of these companies relocate for jobs across the world.
These opportunities come with packages providing private healthcare and private school for their children.
The companies will rent high end housing for the duration.
This will literally have no effect on Joe Bloggs getting a GP appointment or cost this country money.
The deal with India has just made it easier for Indian employees to come here for 3 years, and vice versa.
Our company is growing enormously in India and I imagine there will be many opportunities coming out of this.
In addition a great boost for the economy with the reduction in tariffs.

Double post!

Catsandcheese · 07/05/2025 07:36

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 07/05/2025 07:33

Double post!

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Yes I guess that is a possibility, but relocating employees is an expensive business, so this imaginary Indian company would have to already be doing very well to afford to bring their entire construction workforce over here to take jobs that would otherwise go to minimum wage folks here.
Plus the private healthcare and schooling.
Seems unlikely.

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 07:41

Neemie · 07/05/2025 07:32

It is the sneering ‘only thickos could vote for Reform/brexit/anything I disagree with’ attitude. It doesn’t win people over and makes you sound narrow minded and intolerant.

I only said that because I was accused sneeringly of being a Reform voter first. Feel free to go and tell that poster off for her intolerance.

I was just trying to defend myself as I genuinely can’t understand how someone who is supportive of a trade deal with India is accused of being a Reform voter first b

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 07/05/2025 07:43

Catsandcheese · 07/05/2025 07:36

Yes I guess that is a possibility, but relocating employees is an expensive business, so this imaginary Indian company would have to already be doing very well to afford to bring their entire construction workforce over here to take jobs that would otherwise go to minimum wage folks here.
Plus the private healthcare and schooling.
Seems unlikely.

Sorry!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 07/05/2025 07:43

Catsandcheese · 07/05/2025 07:36

Yes I guess that is a possibility, but relocating employees is an expensive business, so this imaginary Indian company would have to already be doing very well to afford to bring their entire construction workforce over here to take jobs that would otherwise go to minimum wage folks here.
Plus the private healthcare and schooling.
Seems unlikely.

They won’t be getting private anything.
Relocating is as expensive as you make it.

Hire thousands, bring them over, house in caravans, Bob’s your uncle.

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