To wonder what Starmer was thinking with this one

[sideeyes]

Indian nationals being cheaper to hire in the UK? Not paying NI contributions? What is the massive gain we get from this? As a life-long Labour voter this is just another policy that makes me want to cry. He just doesn’t get it, does he?

@Wibble128 the complete failure to read the room you say.
Didn’t the room want growth and FTAs outside the EU? This deal delivers both.

Weren't Labour massively against Indian nationals paying Indian tax rather than British tax prior to the election?

I understand the logic of it but Starmer really needs to read the room a hell of a lot better.

Why would they be cheap if they’re working over here? If an Indian firm brings a temporary Indian worker over here they’re going to have to pay them a uk wage so they can live here. Plus plane fares and resettlement costs and tax in India. So I’m struggling to see how that would be cheaper than a uk worker.

a uk firm won’t be allowed to employ an Indian national and not pay NI. That’s not how the trade deal works. 🤷🏻‍♀️

i reckon Indian firms will just be using it to bring the odd Indian higher level manager over on a temporary basis. Specific people already working for the business who they need.

I ask again how is it different from Sunaks Indian wife who iirc didn’t have to pay tax here as she said the uk wasn’t her permanent home or similar? That was way before Starmer so it appears there’s been some such arrangement for some time.

Are you really equating non-com loopholes with a very standard trading agreement to avoid double social security payment?
As I said, the room wanted growth and FTAs outside the EU. Hooray! This provides both.

Today has really brought into stark reality how deeply stupid the general public, and many journalists, are. The majority on this thread just do not understand what this deal is and refuse to listen and learn. It’s stupidity and it is so depressing.

People like @HellsBalls and @sideeyes could actually learn something here, but instead of reading the replies being written to them, they’re ignoring it and blundering forward with “Indian workers taking British jobs for cheap.”

Just listen! Learn something. Be a smarter person.

It does make me chuckle that Farage is bleating on about cheating the British worker, when he himself admitted he shouldn't have set up an Isle of Man tax haven and uses Thorn in the Side Ltd to funnel earnings and only pay corporation tax, rather than income tax, which is of course significantly lower. He is such a raging hypocrite and yet because he is seen drinking a pint in a pub, he somehow appeals to a type of person who wants to believe that India is going to rip us off.

@CamillaMacauley ”i reckon Indian firms will just be using it to bring the odd Indian higher level manager over on a temporary basis. Specific people already working for the business who they need.”

You really don’t know what you are talking about.

The Indian outsourcing companies like Infosys, Tata, Cognizant plus Accenture, KPMG will bring in more Indian nationals and be able to sell them as consultants more cheaply to UK companies to man their IT projects.
They remain employees of the outsourcers (eg. Infosys). They work for UK companies as consultants (eg. BP/NHS/Asda).
They can now say to their clients, we can offer you the same guys for 3 years at this rate, rather than rotating them every year.

As for selling more Landrovers and Jaguars to India, JLR is owned by Tata, an Indian company.

we can offer you the same guys for 3 years at this rate, rather than rotating them every year.

so one person for 3 years rather than 3 people for a year each. I don’t see the issue? 🤷🏻‍♀️

I haven’t said anything about jags or land rovers. Not sure if that comment was also to me. I have no opinion or knowledge regarding car sales.

Right, so it’s no different. It’s just one person for three years (if they want) instead of changing them round.
They still need to meet all visa requirements. Nothing has changed.

Today has really brought into stark reality how deeply stupid the general public, and many journalists, are. The majority on this thread just do not understand what this deal is and refuse to listen and learn. It’s stupidity and it is so depressing.

This has been the case since Brexit. People do not listen when factual information is presented to them. It's the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and singing "la la la I cant hear you. With misinformation spread so easily online they can read one false soundbite from Farage or the Daily Mail and then that is their opinion formed forever. I can only assume this phenomenon accounts for the popularity of Trump in the US too.

You’ve never ran/been on a project that has people rotating. Old guy who has just mastered the processes off, new guy who doesn’t know the ropes on. Retrain them.
If every year all the teachers at your kids school were replaced, would that be acceptable? Every year you get a new GP? Every year you get all new colleagues?
It makes outsourcing much more palatable.