To wonder what Starmer was thinking with this one

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Indian nationals being cheaper to hire in the UK? Not paying NI contributions? What is the massive gain we get from this? As a life-long Labour voter this is just another policy that makes me want to cry. He just doesn’t get it, does he?

Do any of you watch the news?
USA have put a 25% tariff on cars exported from UK
this deal reduces the tariffs on the export of our high end cars to India from 100% to 10%

This will be another thread with with a faux naive opening post & a disappearing OP!

I see chefs are also part of the deal.

Are they seconded as well?

This part of the deal is for Indian workers working in the U.K. for Indian companies on a temporary basis. It’s the same deal lots of other countries have for workers temporarily working here. Whether they are chefs or anything else.

Weil, let’s see if millions of UK workers up and leave for India tomorrow.

Are you deliberately misunderstanding? It’s not about people ‘upping and leaving’ for India, or Indian workers ‘upping and leaving’ for the U.K. it for people whose work with a company in their own country requires them to work in the other for a period of up to 3years. During that time, they pay their own country’s NI (or equivalent in the case of Indians). It’s to stop people losing NI years if their company needs them to work abroad.
We have this exact deal with lots of other countries already.

Let’s see, shall we?

Yes ok.
Since it hasn’t created Armageddon with all the other countries sharing the deal.

It is about upping and leaving. To go work somewhere where your wages will undercut the locals. That will happen with mass migration of Indian workers into the UK on low skilled visas as part of this fraud trade deal. It won’t happen the other way around. It’s not rocket science.

Wonder what corruption our government officials engaged in to pull this one off. Lining their own pockets in the process no doubt.

No it’s not.
But you’ll believe what you want so I’m out. Time will tell.

We have the same arrangements with 17 other countries.

the drop in tariffs will boost GDP by 1% (doesn’t obviously replace the 4% we lost through Brexit)

And even Brexiteer Daniel Hannan is in favour -

Presumably they will be paying the NHS surcharge like all foreign nationals on work visas?

That covers what exactly?

The bare minimum.

Isn’t this like Rishi Sunak wife didn’t have to pay tax here because she was paying it in 8ndia? That was ok but suddenly because Starmer is involved it’s not? actually that was worse because she was here a lot longer than 3 years!

The whole deal has surely been done to encourage Indian firms to invest over here? And bring their staff on a temporary basis? So will be overall advantageous for the U.K. even without 3 years of not paying NI? I’d have thought its high level staff…..they’re not talking about allowing nmw type employees over here and them not paying NI i don’t think? Also, won’t they pay tax? It’s just NI they’ll be exempt from. So they will be contributing to this economy.

its more anti labour daily Mail bias headlines

How many UK citizens work in India?

It will end up being like nuLabour saying 13,000 Polish workers would be coming to the UK in 2004 when Poland joined the EU, reality was almost one million came.

I mean it's not like we've got an ongoing housing crisis or anything...

Young, healthy workers don't tend to use the NHS much. Many may not use it at all.

About 300,000 permanent citizens in India, however temporary workers are recorded differently. I have quite a few colleagues who did six month stints in India, they aren’t part of the yearly resident figure in the same was as they’re essentially extended guests.

It’s nothing like that. There’s no freedom of movement.

A list of all the other countries we have reciprocal arrangements with -

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements

I benefited from a very similar arrangement years ago, when I was living and working overseas. I carried on paying NI contributions in the UK and didn't have to pay the equivalent in my host country. If I had decided to stay there permanently, the arrangement would have ceased to apply.

Correct me if I’m wrong - but I think that UK pensions are frozen if you move to a county not on that reciprocal list?

Dh worked for a us company in the uk for years. Then went and worked in the USA for them for a while. He paid no tax whatsoever to the us even when he lived there. I don’t think these sort of arrangements are uncommon.

They will pay an IHS surcharge like everyone who comes to the UK on a visa.

I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying the optics are poor at this moment

Well I guess you can’t run the country to appease the uneducated masses who are incapable of critical thought and don’t look beyond a click bait headline.

I work in the financial services sector and we have been having staff from our Indian offices over here on secondment for years, just as we have been sending staff to India for years. Same with the US, and a number of East Asian countries. The cross-skilling benefits us as a company, ensures a more diverse and sustainable corporate culture, and is good for the employees who want to take advantage of the opportunity. They are all highly educated, well paid professionals. Most of the Indian staff who come have MBAs in addition to their degrees If this deal simplifies their arrangements and means they aren't paying two loads of tax, and messing around with the NI that's great. I wouldn't want to lose a year of NI contributions on my pension record if I was posted overseas for a bit.
(edited for typo)