To wonder what Starmer was thinking with this one

[sideeyes]

Indian nationals being cheaper to hire in the UK? Not paying NI contributions? What is the massive gain we get from this? As a life-long Labour voter this is just another policy that makes me want to cry. He just doesn’t get it, does he?

How are these thousands of nmw Indian workers getting a uk work visa?

This is the problem for Labour.
The sort of leader its supporters want, won’t get elected.
The sort of leader to get them elected is not supported by its core.

How is it more people through the door? They haven't introduced free movement and they haven't relaxed the visa rules, they have merely introduced reciprocal arrangements with regards to NI for Indian staff working on short term secondments with Indian companies.

Dependents will also pay the NHS surcharge. And for the record, modern Indian women really don't have "loads of kids". The average is 2. But feel free to carry on with your scaremongering.

This FTA has adds about 0.1% to GDP over many years, its tiny and so will its affects on our lives... even the tariffs on whiskey will reman at 75% for 5 to10 years...

The bigger deal is a far better deal with the EU.. Brexit cost 4% of GDP..... but will Starmer be brave enough for that?

How are they planning to get round the minimum income requirements to get visas for all of these nmw workers from India? I wasn't aware that a relaxation of visa rules was part of the deal? Please could you provide a link with further info?

Sorry, misread your post. I see that you're making the same point! Ignore me!

They will be seconded. Temporary, no NI contributions.

We have the same deal with 17(?) other countries. Is that what happens already them? Can you show the evidence of companies already doing this?

They will still need visas, and they will still need to meet the visa requirements. Can you provide a link which outlines how the visa requirements are going to be reduced?

The same as currently we are noticing all the construction workers from Korea and Chile and New Zealand?
Interesting

We have this deal with 17 other countries. Are they all doing this? Where is your evidence that this sort of deal causes thousands of cheap workers to he brought in to do jobs which would have gone to British people? Where are the huge caravan parks of south koreans working as “temporary contract” builders?

Also people aren’t eligible for an Indians young professional visa if they have dependent children.

They’ll still need a visa. This is not an open door policy. The existing (Tory) visa requirements remain.

Just because middle class right wing mumsnet doesn't understand or know the details of the deal, doesn't mean Starmer is a bad politician.

Crikey if you think he's bad you must have had kittens when Johnson, Truss and Sunak were in charge .

Let’s see.

I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will.

Crack open the champagne now, love. You're very clearly wrong because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The thing is this is a deal that has been 3 years in the making. Keir has just signed it, but the legwork will all have been done by the conservative party.
So all this faux outrage is directed to the wrong place.

We shall see.

A bit early for champagne for me, but maybe that’s what you need in the morning?

Having a husband, wife and two kids is adding to the NHS burden.
Indians often bring their retired parents over for up to 6 months to holiday/help with the kids, usually less time than this though. Old people statistically use more health services. They may be insured, they are still going to the NHS though.

As for the no more visas, let’s see what the statistics say in 4 years time.
The visa quota is unlimited. If they’d said a number like 100,000 or 200,000 maximum active visas at any one time, it could be made a lot more palatable than unlimited numbers.

Why’ thankyou. Glad you’re following so closely. You might learn something.

So how are the visa rules going to be relaxed to allow in all of these extra Indian workers that can't come in under the current rules,, exactly?

If they come here either they will have private healthcare or they will pay the immigration health surcharge.
If their parents come on holiday they will need to have travel insurance.

No champagne for me. I have nothing to celebrate because I'm too depressed right now by the levels of ignorance and racism that I see in my fellow citizens.

So you only like it when people agree with you?

The party line is the only true line.

Whilst I agree with your first sentence, I think you've missed some critical information in the second. I don't know where you are, but where I am Reform just cleaned Labour's clock. Absolutely massive shift of solid Labour voters to Reform. These are not dyed in the wool right-wing racists. They are scared and betrayed working class people who have had their communities and families ground down for decades - and I am talking 40 years, so not just "austerity" - and who have finally snapped. It makes no sense at all - these are decent people, average people. Yes, as with many places they will have worries and concerns about immigration etc., and they might not always be "politically correct" in their views about the world, but they are not "Reform supporters". They are desperate people who have never voted Conservative or Lib Dem etc., who have placed their faith in Labour and repeatedly been kicked in the teeth. I am not even sure that many of them actually want Reform - but they are sure that they don't want this version of Labour, and they told Labour that in no uncertain terms. Labour isn't listening.

You misunderstood what they said. They didn’t mean you were a Reform voter. They were suggesting that calling people thick alienates them and encourages them to vote for Reform, therefore doing Farage’s job for him. No one would want to align themselves with some who holds them in contempt so you won’t win them over.