Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

I’ll refer you back to the OP’s opening post where they asked:

“Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.
I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?”

It’s racist to use those stats in order to bar others of the same nationality who have not committed any crime. It’s not helpful or useful to stereotype in that way.

I know, just horrible. I hope ms Powell is heartily ashamed of herself. If not, she isn't fit to hold public office.

Thoughtless idiot.

Well when the government publish their stats they can tell us the confidence etc. I see it as no different to when pundits interview a few thousand people before an election and get a surprisingly high degree of accuracy from what most would view as a small sample size. Anyway see how the government do their stats then throw stones at them. Until then it is all conjecture.

If you compared any foreign country's number of sex offenders in the UK it would be outnumbered by those who were born here.
People aren't more likely to be a sex offender based on what country they are born in.
I don't speculate about entire races of people based on shifty seeming methodology and statistics used in isolation.

so pretend to ignore the statistics and sacrifice women? Why?

why is women’s safety less important?

the events in cologne where horrific - risks of that happening should be managed not ignored

I mean - that’s exactly the opppsite of what the statistics show

What an absolute lie.

Yes, of course men are more likely to be sex offenders based on being born in certain countries. Thats not racist, it’s just a fact. The figures from European countries which have seen high immigration in recent years prove this.

You haven't seen Labour's stats yet, they are not due til the end of the year but you have condemned them and their methodology already as "shifty". I think they'll be more rigorous than that. Not sure why you're condemning them before even seeing them and the methodology they used.
Why not have an open mind especially where SA and women's safety is concerned?

These batshit people who are doing everything to sweep a problem under the carpet have a reckoning coming. These same people advocated for men being women and how it was ok to mutilate children in the name of gender ideology.

They are always on the wrong side of history and never learn

Doesn’t focusing on nationality blur the lines for cultural problems that we should be dealing with? Ie Asian grooming gangs, men of Pakistani of Bangladeshi ethnicity were/ are greatly over represented but they would largely likely be British nationality.

I said shifty seeming. Based on what you said.
Of course I'm not trying to undermine women's safety. But how would you feel if your partner was from a country that came number one on the list of most likely rapists, and was kicked out of the country? I just think that these things can be used in a very weaponised and racist fashion potentially.

AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

The sort of people who are a threat to women will be a threat to children and men too.

People can claim asylum regardless of a criminal record because it’s not possible to check who the person claims to be. If I was a man with a criminal record claiming asylum then I’d give a name of a man who didn’t have a criminal record on the off chance that the Home Office would check or claim to have lost official documents like birth certificate on my way to the UK.

Are they planning on having under 18s included in the statistics ?

well that’s quite an extreme example to jump to isn’t it?

let’s not talk about out this aspect of violence against women in case it has a bad impact on a man

i think racism is the unhelpful term - I myself am unashamedly culturalist - I think some cultures are far worse for women and girls than others. I don’t think it’s inherent and has anything to do with race at all. I think it’s culture.

no society is free from patriarchy and violence against women and girls. But it is batshit to suggest that some cultures are not far far far worse for women and girls than British culture.

And frankly men from those countries can fuck off - or be required to undergo intensive education on the rights of women and girls.

id be delighted to welcome women and girls from those cultures.

What is the process for this? How can we check what record someone has in another country, if they are claiming asylum based on persecution

Almost all the sex offenders on our local paper's website are middle age white males and barely a comment is made. When a non-white face eventually appears the comments explode with "the usual suspects" and "send them back".

Does this mean that the statistics the OP is talking about are not important?

whst is your point?

lots of born British men are sexual offenders so therefore the risk profile of men being granted the right to live here is not important?

Mine too as a midwife.

well I mean white British are the majority of men in the country - so that’s hardly earth shattering.

You don’t think it’s helpful to identify groups of men that might pose high risks of threats of violence to women and girls? You don’t think that is kinda important to reduce risk and minimize harm?

the blinkered attitudes on this thread show exactly why the rochdale and other grooming tragedies happened.

The problem for doing this for sex crimes is that we know they are woefully underconvicted.

We also know that ethnic minorities are more likely to be prosecuted for crimes than their counterparts and I believe, more likely to be victims of false allegations/miscarriages of justice.

This means any related statistics will be skewered by a) the number of people who get away with sex crimes generally and b) the fact white men are most likely to get away with a sex crime, and potentially, less likely to be falsely accused and convicted.

The OP wanted to know why it was racist and I’ve explained why.

I’ve also explained that I wouldn’t like to be treated like that myself. I wouldn’t like to be barred from something/somewhere because statistically I would likely commit a crime based on my nationality, when as an individual I know I would not commit that crime.

Well Then you don’t believe in the basic logicnof
safeguarding or indeed any sort of rational public policy

Bollocks

They aren't the majority of any population I've worked in but still disproportionately involved in both child protection and domestic abuse cases. Most people I work with aren't white British (certainly not Indigenous) and even many of the ones who are, aren't Christian and have strong familial links elsewhere.

You're saying my example is extreme but also that all men from those countries should fuck off.

What part are you challenging?

The fact that sex crimes are woefully underconvicted, or that etnic minorities are more likely to be convicted for crimes than their white counterparts?