Page 7 | New councillor wants to stop 'free mixing' between men and women

Flightfromhell · 04/05/2025 11:53

Whooowhooohoo · 04/05/2025 10:49

Don’t think “the public” should be Funding religion-based or cultural need for separate facilities for a select group of people.

Prefer instead that groups learn how to live in UK without breaking laws or putting people at risk.

Solve the problem … which is the people’s behaviors, not building facilities.

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The public are funding religious-based education though - I'd be quite happy if we knocked that on the head.

MaggieMistletoe · 04/05/2025 11:54

I think increasingly people are no longer willing to be tolerant to those who have been welcomed into this country (or their parents/grandparents were) only to then be demanding that we alter our own culture beyond recognition to accommodate their own culture. The sheer, astonishing arrogance and entitlement of such an attitude is becoming more and more obvious. If I were to move overseas, the idea of demanding that country make itself more like Britain for my own comfort and convenience is laughable (and disgusting).

Anything English or Christian is seen as outdated colonial, racist trash. Its really heartening to see the indigenous people of this land waking up to it and pushing back. Our history and culture are of value and worth fighting for. The Welsh, Scottish and Irish have done a better job at continuing to value their own culture rather than going around bleating inane nonsense like happy eid or whatever the current woke buzzword may be, but in recent years they've started going the same way as England - it cannot go on in the same vein, future generations need us to preserve our heritage.

VisitationRights · 04/05/2025 11:56

There should be no single sex public space unless allowed by law (toilets, changing rooms, etc.) Just because she ran on a specific platform does not mean she can contravene equality laws.

Dangermoo · 04/05/2025 11:57

MaggieMistletoe · 04/05/2025 11:54

I think increasingly people are no longer willing to be tolerant to those who have been welcomed into this country (or their parents/grandparents were) only to then be demanding that we alter our own culture beyond recognition to accommodate their own culture. The sheer, astonishing arrogance and entitlement of such an attitude is becoming more and more obvious. If I were to move overseas, the idea of demanding that country make itself more like Britain for my own comfort and convenience is laughable (and disgusting).

Anything English or Christian is seen as outdated colonial, racist trash. Its really heartening to see the indigenous people of this land waking up to it and pushing back. Our history and culture are of value and worth fighting for. The Welsh, Scottish and Irish have done a better job at continuing to value their own culture rather than going around bleating inane nonsense like happy eid or whatever the current woke buzzword may be, but in recent years they've started going the same way as England - it cannot go on in the same vein, future generations need us to preserve our heritage.

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Added to your wonderful post, this arrogance and demand for change is being complemented by middle class white people telling the rest of us we should be ashamed to think differently to them when it comes to immigration. However, I've noticed on both this thread and the Reform threads, people are pushing back and it's been a long time coming.

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/05/2025 12:00

MaggieMistletoe · 04/05/2025 11:54

I think increasingly people are no longer willing to be tolerant to those who have been welcomed into this country (or their parents/grandparents were) only to then be demanding that we alter our own culture beyond recognition to accommodate their own culture. The sheer, astonishing arrogance and entitlement of such an attitude is becoming more and more obvious. If I were to move overseas, the idea of demanding that country make itself more like Britain for my own comfort and convenience is laughable (and disgusting).

Anything English or Christian is seen as outdated colonial, racist trash. Its really heartening to see the indigenous people of this land waking up to it and pushing back. Our history and culture are of value and worth fighting for. The Welsh, Scottish and Irish have done a better job at continuing to value their own culture rather than going around bleating inane nonsense like happy eid or whatever the current woke buzzword may be, but in recent years they've started going the same way as England - it cannot go on in the same vein, future generations need us to preserve our heritage.

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you’re mixing two things people who are being crushed by the economical situation in England politicians that were using that making promises they haven’t a chance in hell keeping which has got nothing to do with the attendance at Christian churches which is shrinking. Look at how we celebrate Christmas at Easter it’s all chocolate and wrapping paper.

Tbrh · 04/05/2025 12:01

Slippery slope, what will we choose to segregate next

Tbrh · 04/05/2025 12:05

MaggieMistletoe · 04/05/2025 11:54

I think increasingly people are no longer willing to be tolerant to those who have been welcomed into this country (or their parents/grandparents were) only to then be demanding that we alter our own culture beyond recognition to accommodate their own culture. The sheer, astonishing arrogance and entitlement of such an attitude is becoming more and more obvious. If I were to move overseas, the idea of demanding that country make itself more like Britain for my own comfort and convenience is laughable (and disgusting).

Anything English or Christian is seen as outdated colonial, racist trash. Its really heartening to see the indigenous people of this land waking up to it and pushing back. Our history and culture are of value and worth fighting for. The Welsh, Scottish and Irish have done a better job at continuing to value their own culture rather than going around bleating inane nonsense like happy eid or whatever the current woke buzzword may be, but in recent years they've started going the same way as England - it cannot go on in the same vein, future generations need us to preserve our heritage.

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You do realise that's exactly what the English did to so many other countries in the world? Imposed their views in other people's countries. To the point of raping and murdering people and the effects are still felt today? They also did it to the Welsh, Irish and the Scots. It's a harsh truth, and it wasn't that long ago either.

Whooowhooohoo · 04/05/2025 12:06

Is it OK for me to say I don’t want to be “mixing” in spaces with Muslim men ? Maheen says it, can I?

sashh · 04/05/2025 12:07

SergeantDawkins · 04/05/2025 10:22

Most people on MN want single sex spaces only if it’s for anti-trans reasons but not if it’s for religious reasons

What exactly is 'anti-trans' about single sex spaces?

unsync · 04/05/2025 12:08

Longma · 04/05/2025 11:15

Think about it - in one you’re fully dressed, the other you are wearing far less clothing with more flesh on view. Plus in the latter, you need to be in a state of undress for periods of time before and after using the pool.

How can you not see a difference?!

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Because they are a TRA pretending to be something else.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 04/05/2025 12:08

SeaSwim5 · 04/05/2025 11:13

@Sodthesystem

The term 'women's rights activists' is a subjective term though. Not that I necessarily agree, but trans women would say they are also women whose rights gender critical campaigners want to remove.

The term trans rights is also subjective.

Trans people have rights aligned with their sex. Nobody is disputing that.

Trans people have rights based on gender reassignment. Nobody is disputing that.

What is being disputed is trans attempts to remove the right of women to their rights based on sex by redefing the word woman (they never seem to mention transmen unless it's helpful to transwomen) and allowing trans identifying males in to female spaces.

So basically, referring to those advocating women's rights as anti-trans is making it very clear which side of the debate you are coming from.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/05/2025 12:08

BeTwinklyKhakiPanda · 04/05/2025 11:26

She obviously has a pretty low opinion of Muslim men.

If she'd just said 'men', there would have been howls of 'She's racist!'.

Mrsbloggz · 04/05/2025 12:08

LoveItaly · 04/05/2025 10:31

Exactly. It sounds like the thin end of a very concerning wedge. Look at how Iran and Lebanon were once too, if you don’t believe how quickly things can change, particularly for women.

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I agree. Men* need very little encouragement to indulge their desire for dominance and status. Oppressing all women means that in one fell swoop they get to dominate and subordinate half of the population.

*Not all men but broadly speaking men are more dominant than women and they have a greater ability to perpetrate their dominance.

Yazzi · 04/05/2025 12:09

Looking at the original interview, it seems she is specifically talking about women only gym sessions, as she links it to health. Though it's pretty vague phrasing, could be more general.

Interesting that it's backwards for Muslim women to want women-only.gyms, but not for anti-trans women to want the same.

She's also only 18 years old, which is something. Be interesting to see how her views develop with age.

WestwardHo1 · 04/05/2025 12:11

Tbrh · 04/05/2025 12:05

You do realise that's exactly what the English did to so many other countries in the world? Imposed their views in other people's countries. To the point of raping and murdering people and the effects are still felt today? They also did it to the Welsh, Irish and the Scots. It's a harsh truth, and it wasn't that long ago either.

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Posts like yours are part of the problem (coupled with them starting with condescending and patronising phrase "you do realise....")

It is not the fault of anyone alive today what the government and Crown of this country chose to do generations ago. Trying to make people feel guilty about it has the opposite effect - there's a backlash and we are seeing it happen today.

(This is a really small example, but I was wondering recently why a country as enormous as India from west to east operates on one time zone when it's very detrimental to the people on the fringes. The page I read on Google explained that it was the legacy of the British Empire because it made administering the country easier. India has been self governing for nearly eighty years - why haven't they changed this if they wanted to?)

5128gap · 04/05/2025 12:11

There is absolutely no need for us to confuse three entirely seperate things. One: The law - that has been clarified by the recent SC judgment about what spaces must be single sex. Two: The option of single sex spaces where the law doesn't dictate it, but offering it as an option may make spaces more accessible and comfortable for some women. Three: An insistence that women must be kept away from men, which will mean women's exclusion from some spaces. One is essentual. Two is helpful. Three is wrong and chasms apart from one and two.

Boomer55 · 04/05/2025 12:12

What’s next? Segregated beaches? 🙄

Fluffyholeysocks · 04/05/2025 12:12

I think it comes down to what she mean by stopping 'free mixing'.
Dictating that people can't mix ?
Or allowing people to choose not to mix?

Whooowhooohoo · 04/05/2025 12:12

Yazzi · 04/05/2025 12:09

Looking at the original interview, it seems she is specifically talking about women only gym sessions, as she links it to health. Though it's pretty vague phrasing, could be more general.

Interesting that it's backwards for Muslim women to want women-only.gyms, but not for anti-trans women to want the same.

She's also only 18 years old, which is something. Be interesting to see how her views develop with age.

What she really said was not wanting to be around “Muslim men”

“There’s a big aspect of free mixing,” she said ahead of the election. “Muslim women aren’t really comfortable with being involved with Muslim men. I’m sure we can have segregated areas, segregated gyms, where Muslim women don’t have to sacrifice their health.”

not ALL men, just Muslim men. Unless. Maybe her constituency is 100% Muslim …. And she does not consider that there are non-Muslim men in UK.

Ottersmith · 04/05/2025 12:13

SeaSwim5 · 04/05/2025 10:14

Independent candidate Maheen Kamran has been elected in Burnley.

As well as support for Gaza, her manifesto included a pledge to encourage public spaces to end free mixing of men and women.

"Muslim women aren't really comfortable being involved with Muslim men. I'm sure we can have segregated areas, segregated gyms."

Is this a sensible approach and important for inclusivity? It's notable that many anti-Trans activists advocate the importance of single-sex spaces.

However, some have raised concerns about the growing sectarian nature of UK politics.

Should we be looking to reduce 'free mixing' between men and women and create more single sex spaces?

Do you mean 'womens rights activists'. I'm not sure what you mean by 'anti trans activists' I can see your gotcha a mile off. Someone wanting separate libraries and shops is not the same as women needing privacy and space on their own. By the way men have had men only spaces for centuries.

SallyWD · 04/05/2025 12:15

I don't think public spaces should be segregated like that but I see no problem in having smaller female only or male only gyms - for those that prefer them.

Flustration · 04/05/2025 12:17

As well as support for Gaza, her manifesto included a pledge to encourage public spaces to end free mixing of men and women.

Do we know whether that is true?

I mean, there are a lot of nutters out there, so perhaps it is, but it does seem rather convenient.

Here is her manifesto: https://maheenkamran.com

Nothing of note in the wayback machine (internet archive)

No photos of pamphlets or posters with this manifesto pledge. No videos or sound bites.

The original quote appears to have been reported by Tom Scotson of PoliticsHome:

“There’s a big aspect of free mixing,” she said. “Muslim women aren’t really comfortable with being involved with Muslim men. I'm sure we can have segregated areas, segregated gyms, where Muslim women don't have to sacrifice their health.”

I can find nothing to indicate the context of this comment, but it appears to be about health not public participation.

Maheen Kamran

Your strong voice at Lancashire County Council

https://maheenkamran.com

Silversixpenny · 04/05/2025 12:20

SeaSwim5 · 04/05/2025 10:14

Independent candidate Maheen Kamran has been elected in Burnley.

As well as support for Gaza, her manifesto included a pledge to encourage public spaces to end free mixing of men and women.

"Muslim women aren't really comfortable being involved with Muslim men. I'm sure we can have segregated areas, segregated gyms."

Is this a sensible approach and important for inclusivity? It's notable that many anti-Trans activists advocate the importance of single-sex spaces.

However, some have raised concerns about the growing sectarian nature of UK politics.

Should we be looking to reduce 'free mixing' between men and women and create more single sex spaces?

Maybe it'll save the next generatiin if low income white girls.

jx3nne · 04/05/2025 12:21

sualipa · 04/05/2025 11:10

Reform talking points are going to infest everywhere - my Nextdoor in London/Kent borders has fallen - there's a nasty chill in the air and it won't be going away any time soon.

I'm very curious about what you mean about this? Isn't Nextdoor just an app for discussing things like bin collection etc. Does it get political?

Nanny0gg · 04/05/2025 12:22

SeaSwim5 · 04/05/2025 10:14

Independent candidate Maheen Kamran has been elected in Burnley.

As well as support for Gaza, her manifesto included a pledge to encourage public spaces to end free mixing of men and women.

"Muslim women aren't really comfortable being involved with Muslim men. I'm sure we can have segregated areas, segregated gyms."

Is this a sensible approach and important for inclusivity? It's notable that many anti-Trans activists advocate the importance of single-sex spaces.

However, some have raised concerns about the growing sectarian nature of UK politics.

Should we be looking to reduce 'free mixing' between men and women and create more single sex spaces?

'Anti-Trans' (or Gender Critical as they are better known) want private spaces (changing rooms, loos) to be single sex. And don't want men in spaces which always were women-only (sports, refuges etc)

This is not what is being suggested so lets not start a row.

This is presumably wanting to change public spaces which, in this country have always been public and mixed, into single sex.

So, No.

Gyms could surely have women-only classes sometimes? Would a women's gym be possible if someone wanted to open one?

Changing what already exists, No