To ask if you are not a Christian, what non Christian values you live by?

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Just that really!

Is this a joke? Have you heard of the Crusades? Official Christian states in the premodern era have always utilized torture, war, and state sponsored execution as natural features of government. “Kill them all for God will know his own” is literally a religious statement from a religious war.

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Sort of my point, yes. Though I accept modern Christian’s aren’t off crusading.

I'm more Bill and Ted to be honest. Be excellent to each other.

I've no idea if there is a corresponding Christian value, but it works for me.

They seem to be in the States. Doesn't Trump bang on about Christian values before bombing countries?

Sorry cardibach, got confused by the nesting of the thread.

However it n the modern era some Christianities have become remilitarized and quite aggressive. Evangelicals in the US are very intertwined with the police, politics, and the military. There is an ultramontane trad Catholic school in the US which positively values torture and capital punishment of prisoners, criminsls, and “illegals” right now. Several of them sit on the US Supreme court.

The Catholic Church used to routinely deny the sacrament to politicians who were divirced or pro abortion but never to those who supported the death penalty to my knowledge.

The Russian Orthodox Church has aligned with Putin in supporting and blessing violence against Ukraine (and there has always been a religious component to the suppression of the Chechens.

It bothers me how Christians have grasped certain values that are held by many religions and people with no religion.
It's rather insulting.

Fair points @Maitri108 and @pikkumyy77 !
Ill keep not killing as a non-Christian value on my spreadsheet!

The bible says I can take a slave as long as they are from another country.
Living in Scotland does that mean someone English is ok, or should I go French or Swedish? If you could let me know. Cheers.

I think its clear that I am not alone in feeling a bit annoyed with the implicit sectarian triumphalism about values when it is perfectly historically clear that Christian values, like the Holy Roman Empire (neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire as the old saying went) are not all they are cracked up to be.

What is great about them is not particularly specific to Christianity and even vaunted values are more often observed in the breach.

Niche but true!😁

King James Version

2 Kings 2:23-24

King James Version

23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Well, generally I try to live my life based on what I think is right and the least harmful, rather than what’s written in old and poorly translated book from a time when people knew fuck-all.

But if you genuinely want to know - which I strongly suspect you don’t - I’d say that a key thing is basing my decisions on evidence and/or the likely impact, rather than faith’.

Apologies if this has already been posted but I really like this quote

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them.
If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

• Thinking for myself
• Not needing a 'flock' to hide behind
• Not needing a priest or vicar to tell me how to live and think and act
• Being vegetarian and hating cruelty to animals
• Not thinking women should obey men
• Being grateful to science for all the amazing things it has given us
• Having the courage to be an individual
• Having the courage to live by reason rather than faith
• Believing birth control and family planning would do more to reduce the total amount of misery and suffering in the world than almost anything else

Liberty and the harm principle.

Lots of sex before marriage. 😎

Those are values.
Christians can have those values.
So can other people who aren't Christian.

Imagine a Venn diagram. 100 people can have those values. Of those values, say 50 people are Christian. That means that 50 people also have those values but aren't Christian.

(There are also some Christians who don't have those values)

What does being good mean anyway?
Or doing no harm?

Is lying always a bad thing - should you always try and tell the truth?
Should you try and live by the values of Chidi?

Disappointed that the OP didn’t come back with an answer on what constitutes Christian/non-Christian values.

I think the below are fairly non-Christian but I’d probably need a Christian to confirm as I don’t have a thorough understanding of Christianity.

Irreligion
Secularism
Humanism
Scepticism
Women are better than men
Freedom of thought
Never drop litter
Individual liberty
Tolerance and respect

Eagerly awaits random word salad response implying I’ve walked into some kind of trap.

You can have a Hebrew slave, but you have to release them after 6 years unless you have tricked them into being a slave for life.

This is the classic clip about Christian values and cherry picking from the Bible

Are you an ancient Israelite? @KIlliePieMyOhMy

@Brahumbug The Hebrew word for boys here can mean any young man of between 12 and 30 years old.

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@cakeorwine That is a classic example of ignorance surrounding the Christian faith, holy scripture and how it's practiced.