To ask if you are not a Christian, what non Christian values you live by?

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Just that really!

How do you know it is the "right" thing?

Also, most Christians I know are not in it for eternal life.

Because of the morals that I have. What is right for me isn’t necessarily right for another.

The Golden rule according to Lord Belzebub, His Satanic Majesty, the dark one, the angel who was cast off from heaven to use his own brain, the Lord of the Flies, etc.

”Do unto others as you you want done unto you”.

whereas Christianity seems to be judge and condemn others if they do not have have the same views or opinions.

Jesus was a Jew. He wanted to people to live like good Jews. For some reason people got sucked into this multi-billion Christian industry. Not exactly an accident that Protestantism appears at the same time as Capitalism.

I think you've moved the goal posts. You asked what principles we live by, which implies as individuals to guide out personal morality. I answered that. If on a societal and governmental level this principle is interpreted in a way I disagree with, this doesn't make the principle itself flawed, or invalid as a personal code of conduct. I'm not making decisions about the atomic bombs. More whether I should skip my shift at the foodbank to run my friend to hospital kind of thing.

OK, when does one moral framework take over from the other?

Here’s another question why don’t you have an intrinsic moral framework?

I don 't think it does, unless you think of morality as something that is fixed and rigid. And in a world where one is faced with ever changing circumstances and moral questions, that way lies madness.

Treat people how you would like to be treated, have compassion and respect.

Can you clarify what you mean, do you mean a general "you", or me specifically?

I did not mention infanticide in my suggested good values list Blossom.

The motto 'Don't shit on your own doorstep' has served me well over the years.

I think I believe the opposite. Surely morality is fixed? By which I mean, if we switch from framework to framework depending on our desired outcome in differing circumstances - it begs the question: what is the basis for the desired outcome?

I hold that do what thou wilt an it harm nobody is the whole of the law, which is why I 'm relaxed about my favourite pastime being getting naked and dancing with a vast spectral goat at the crossroads at the dark of the moon.

You should try it OP, it's a blast.

Love Weber

I'm a non-believer, but from a Jewish background and think many of the values you ascribe to Christianity I would perceive as Jewish values. As for where we would differ: I believe abortion is a vital part of public health and women's freedom; I don't see usury as a sin; I think this life is more important than whatever happens after death; I like the muscularity of Judaism's mitzvot on philanthropy and charity as part of daily life.

This is not true. Jewish marriage was a contract that could be dissolved.

Roman marriages could be dissolved and (some) women had property rights that enabled them to live well post marriage.

While some argue that the Protestant work ethic, particularly Calvinist beliefs, influenced the rise of capitalism, capitalism existed before the Protestant Reformation. In fact, early capitalist practices were already taking root in Catholic-dominated areas before the Reformation even began.

Capitalism, with its emphasis on trade, investment, and profit-driven economic activities, existed in Europe long before the Protestant Reformation. Monasteries, for example, were early rationalizers of economic life, engaging in practices that resemble modern capitalism

I'm not disagreeing with you.

My response was to a poster (may have been you, I can't be bothered to trawl through pages of posts) who gave a list of undesirable practices and said that some of them still continue.

Incidentally -
The last person burned at the stake in England for heresy was Edward Wightman, executed in April 1612. He was an English Anabaptist minister, and his execution took place in Lichfield.

Anabaptists faced persecution from both Catholic and Protestant authorities for their beliefs and practices, including being burned at the stake or drowned.
Due to persecution in Europe, many Anabaptists emigrated to North America, where they established communities like the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites

Catherine Murphy was the last woman to be officially executed by burning in England, although her execution was for counterfeiting, not heresy.

In Scotland, Janet Horne was the last person executed for witchcraft in the British Isles, burned alive in June 1727.

I have no issue with gay people

Any person who relies upon religion for their moral code.

Why is religion any different to any other? In fact, there are actually only two really, in broad terms, and religion aligns reasonably well with one of them.

What do you rely upon and why is it "better"?

Atheism and the belief that this us our one life and it ends on death

This.

Also that there is no one out there "watching over us", we are responsible/accountable and have to help ourselves.

That all people are equal, no religion gives any one group the right to feel superior to others

That there can be different beliefs and values that are valid and should be respected.

That values like charity, respect for others, supporting your community etc, are not "christian values" or belonging to any particular religion, they are universal morals and the cornerstone of human society.

The "right thing" is surely fixed, but the morality of what to do to get to the "right thing" is going to change from person to person, scenario to scenario, belief system to belief system.

For example, this morning the "right thing" is that I get my child to nursery. There's no real moral decisions to make there except maybe to I walk or drive? Usually I'd say morally I should walk, because it's better for her health and the environment. But as we recently got a new puppy, it's better than this time I drive so the puppy isn't left alone too long for the first time. It won't hugely impact DDs health or the environment if today I drive but it will hugely impact the puppy's ability to be left without stressing if I take longer by walking.

The "right outcome" is still achieved, my child ended up safely at nursery. But other people will have different ideas as to whether I was morally correct in how I did it.

And then you have things the other end of the scale, deciding whether to join conflicts in other areas of the globe. The "right thing" is that those end, but morally, what's the best way to do that? Do we join fights? Should fights have started in the first place? How should they have been prevented?

Where have I said any religion is better than another? I specifically said any person who relies on religion. I didn’t name a religion.