AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

Personally I don’t believe that allowing unskilled immigrants with no financial backing can bring any positives to the country. It’s already in enough of a mess.

Also increase the number of training places at medical schools, stop the BMA from dictating/influencing numbers just to keep their members in high demand and remuneration high.

The core problem that people have is that they see their communities and culture disappearing around them.

No, the core problem is when politicians hijack legitimate concerns about economic poverty and lack of opportunity into religious and ethnic tension. We live in a world of global economic and political turmoil. The poverty in the high street of an ex-mining town or the prohibitive cost of a home in rural Devon has not been caused by people arriving on the Kent coast in small boats.

All the research shows that people are far more comfortable about immigration in areas with lots of it and more suspicious of it in areas with little of it. Most people rub along pretty well with people who are "not like them" once they get to know them. In fact, they realise that they are "quite like them", even if they speak a different language or worship a different god.

There are poisonous, evil, controlling people in all communities and of all religions. There are misogynistic Muslims and feminist Muslims. A nutter Muslim cleric or councillor in Burnley is no more or less concerning that a nutter Christian cleric or councillor in Belfast.

I abhor what the councillor said and I despise Nigel Farage saying he wouldn't want Romanians moving in next door. Their bigotry is not down to their race or culture. It's because they are both poisonous authoritarians.

It hasnt worked educationally though has it because the biggest disadvantaged group within education is white working class boys.

Are you kidding me. I have a very important brown female banker friend and she’s the first to tell everyone that she’s asked to speak at all sorts of events so the company can look good. They keep her because she’s exceptional in what she does. They use her in other ways too.

No, because there is just not enough money to go round.

Imagine your life with two children, two parents working. It’s expensive in the early days but in time you’ll expect to have the money for children’s hobbies, family holidays, be able to repair your home or car when necessary.
Now imagine you have 11 children on the same income. Not such a rosy future for you or your children. You can cast out the big loving family picture but hard economics tell you two wages won’t go far amongst 13 people.

By next week there’ll be a few thousand more people needing a home, food, health care, dentistry, social services assessment, maybe unaccompanied children who need care. All these services are already stretched and an elastic band eventually breaks.

I agree. We need the "right" kind of immigrants - those with high level skills/qualifications who will be net contributors to the UK (also bearing in the mind the costs of their dependants they bring with them). We certainly don't need more dodgy blokes looking threatening outside Turkish Barbers nor young adults hanging around outside hotels smoking weed and being aggressive/threatening to locals walking past.

Multi-culturalism in a "naice" area where your immigrant neighbours are doctors, accountants or IT consultants, is very different to "multi culturalism" in Bradford where your neighbours are money launderers, drug dealers and other kinds of criminals.

To want limited immigration is not racist.
People voting Reform can see the difference between NHS workers and illegal immigrants.

They can also see that importing tens of thousands of IT workers will lower the salaries for IT. These guys are NOT skilled IT workers on the whole, it will be one good guy to four inexperienced guys.
Repeat against a whole raft of occupations. Race to the bottom.

I was, it was how I was brought up, I lived in a working glass old mining town, it wasn’t uncommon. I have worked really hard as an adult to unlearn that awful belief since moving areas and progressing in my life.

Nail on the head. And we really shouldn't be giving work permits for an immigrant to come in and work in a Kebab shop which is probably a money laundering front anyway.

You do realise Italy has a far-right government whose leader has spoken of her admiration for Mussolini?!

Reform UK wants to pick up migrants intercepted at sea and return them to France

How is this a problem?

At the moment migrants are picked up and taken to UK, so why not return them to where they came from? If it's safe to take them to UK then it must be safe to take them back to France, surely?
France is a "safe country", as the last time I read the news there wasn't a Coup d' Etat or a Civil War in progress

And why are they even crossing in the first place? UK have bunged France £millions to stop launches. That isn't working obviously.

And I'm still waiting to be told when & where Ben Habib said this Reforms Ben Habib suggested putting them into more robust dinghies, whilst at sea and if they scupper this boat, let them drown. 🤔

I agree with this. Nothing is being done and this country is being drained of our future every day.
other countries are shutting borders why can’t we?

I am not racist I have many friends from around the world who live and WORK in this country and add to our society .

Spot on @OneAmberFinch !!

Communities being changed beyond all recognition and not hearing anyone speak a word of English.

Oh do bore off. This is repeated over and over again. It really isn't racist to want to stop uncontrolled immigration. Maybe you're lucky enough to live somewhere not affected by it. Try speaking to people who are. Like those in Kent. I support Reform on this issue. If you want to call me a racist on the back of that, because you mistakenly think it closes debate down, crack on. Beyond caring....

What a thoughtful, nuanced and informed view of Bradford you have. Have you ever been to Bradford? Do you think there are no doctors, IT consultants or accountants in Bradford or is it the city economy powered only by "multi-cultural" drug dealing?

Farage is Reform. The Party is created in his image. It was UKIP then The Brexit Party now Reform. Democracy allows us to vote for who we want, we should cherish that. Personally I don't understand why anyone would vote for someone who has shown us who he is repeatedly. Brexit is a car crash, it's making us far poorer than any refugees. It's making the rich richer though.
We need to look at our media far more closely. Yesterday morning on GMB they had 3 political guests, Labour, Tory & Reform. The Reform person (Alex Phillips - ex Brexit Party MEP, lied about working for Cambridge Analytica) took the whole slot. The other 2 were not asked a single question & left before speaking. Shameful.

Only absolutely anyone who is aware of the ongoing policies and disproportionate action towards indigenous people there.

@bellsanddogwhistles - Ben Habib is no longer a member of Reform. They fell out a good while ago.

I'm not saying all Reform voters are too dumb to do a simple Google search but... Just for you ..

www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/24/dont-rescue-people-who-scupper-their-channel-boats-says-reform-uk-deputy

Why people so amazed that people who have no hope and no investment in society want to smash it?
That people who have little opportunity break out of poverty financial and cultural want to give their betters the do gooders who are doing them no good at all, a bloody nose? People who call others stupid and racist and gammon and thick are not capable of representing their interests. And millions of people are fucked off with it.

I'm not sure you read my post ..

and actually the most disadvantaged group is boys from the GTRB community ...some how they don't get discussed.

How is anything going to get better where it needs to if people aren't allowed to analyse and respond to inequality happening in our society. You can't want equality and equity for just one group it has to be all and we have to be allowed to continuously iterate and be fair to everyone in society.
Eg.White working class boys deserve to go to uni too less and less of them are. There are other pathways that they are choosing ...on those pathways are they leading to equitable success for all?

If we limit university entry for only as Reform want to do what will the impact be on white working class boys. What will the impact be on girls getting on to science courses. Why? Is it our education system? Why ? None of those questions about what wrong with our education system could be answered.or won't be acted upon.

Equality and equity work helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds.

So would I. Medical improvements mean a baby is viable earlier and 24 weeks is very late.

But then, you know that their immigration views stem from racism more than anything else, don't you? Otherwise why do they spread so much misinformation about immigration?

You can criticise Labour all you want and they certainly have made mistakes. But it's ridiculous to think that they could undo 14 years of Tory failure in 10 months.