AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

Mr Habib made his remarks in response to questions around government efforts to deter people crossing the channel in small boats.
He told Talk TV: "We could, as an idea, provide them with another dinghy into which to climb and then go back to France.
"If they choose to scupper that dinghy, then yes, they have to suffer the consequences of their actions."

You of course could easily find this out for yourself?

How to frighten people who vote for Reform?

. You support Trump
. Farage is Hitler without the tache.

I live and work in London and am surrounded by immigrants and asylum seekers every day as part of my job. We all get along fine. It's a great community. My life is currently being saved by the NHS (Something else Farage wants to dismantle) and most of my care team are immigrants. Immigration is vital.

Of course they can. Anyone of any ethnicity can hold racist views.

Its probably not a good comparison to Farage, I dont know what he was like at school for example, but I work with a lot of children who say horrifically racist things. Some do have LD/SEN to some degree (these are not children who are open to children with disabilities teams, so not severe) and some dont.

Some Im not sure really understand some of what they're saying, some very much do because they're just picking up the difference and dont like it.

Many of those children will change hugely as they mature and develop, I wouldnt like for the ones that change to be continually referred back to their childhood

Unless you work with kids you probably dont understand the sort of things they say to each other. Often its meaningless. But society is such that one sort of slur is much worse than another and will travel with that child throughout their life.

Even if ‘he’ were racist, why would that be any worse than Labour’s misogyny? Is it because racism also affects men?

Yup. Speaking as a born and bred Londoner, I’d take living in our beautiful, vibrant, multicultural city over a village full of angry, gammon faced , racist nimbys ANYDAY!

Oh, and we will all need the NHS at some point in our lives too. So I’d suggest being extremely wary of anyone who wants to dismantle it 🙄

I think they’re great. Bring it on.

they’re not racist. They just want decent border control. Are Australia and Canada racist? No. They just realise that letting anyone in is fucking stupid, and they’re a lot bigger than us.

Legal and illegal immigration are 2 completely different things and need to be seen as this

100% we need immigration but we need controls

Plenty of people said Australia was racist for years over its no pathways for immigration for 'illegal' boat arrivals policy. Some still do.

The BBC is covering the Australian election today; over one third of Australian citizens are born overseas, the only countries which have a higher rate of foreign born citizens are tax-havens. Around 20% of Australians are of Non-European heritage, mostly from Asia and according to the UN it has the highest rate of migrant-citizen participation in politics in the world - in voting, as candidates and as elected politicians. So immigrants are part of the political land scape and the boat policy was / is often very popular with immigrants who came legally to Australia.

Q.Where do you think all the "new" Reform voters are coming from?

A. From supporters of existing parties such such as the Tories and - shock ! horror ! Labour.

Must be a lot of of pig-shit thick Labour ex-labour supporters out there then 🙄

Also I’m not a Reform voter, but I’ve just read their manifesto/contract again - and it is eminently sensible. Many of their policies would work a lot better than those Labour are currently imposing.

Because you don’t like Farage, doesn’t mean that the broader party doesn’t have some good ideas. And if you can’t appreciate why people want to vote for that, I actually think you are part of the problem - not the people voting Reform.

And to reiterate, I have never and will never vote Reform. I just understand that some people are desperate for any sort of change.

Most of the patients in London are also immigrants. And it’s now very hard for newly qualified British nursing students (of all races) to get a job because so many foreign nurses have been imported into the NHS. It’s not all as hunky dory as you claim. Housing is another massive issue, as well as crime.

Either way most people have no problem at all with immigration. Uncontrolled mass immigration, lack of assimilation and illegal immigration are the issues. When immigration was at sensible levels integration was no problem, and the focus was on what everyone had in common. It’s the polar opposite now.

As they now have control of some councils, the proof will be in the pudding!

They will either be successful and be voted back in, or they won't and be voted out.

A friend lives in Brighton who had a Green council for a while. She didn't vote Green but thought a Green council could be beneficial. In her opinion they didn't live up to people's expectations, nothing really changed apart from more cycle lanes and bus lanes, and that the bus lanes are definitely designed to be revenue generators for the Council in fines. And the Greens were gone a few years later.

Time will tell for Reform.

Reform’s keystone policy - the first in their manifesto - is smarter immigration with a focus on recruiting more international healthcare workers. So you’re in support of their policies.

Countries that are populated almost entirely by immigrants whose ancestors killed most of the original inhabitants? You want to use them as an example?

I’ve not ben to Canada. But Oz its pretty racist yes.

I bet most of the Reform supporters won't be able to fund their healthcare if Farage wants to ditch NHS and go to a US style health system.

I bet most just look at immigration - nowt else.

What controls do you think we dont have?

I see this all the time that people are voting this way due to uncontrolled immigration? In what way do we have uncontrolled immigration?

Yep, and this is why I voted Reform. Wanting to reduce immigration isn’t racist, the ethnicity of the people coming in is neither here nor there, it’s the sheer weight of numbers, squishing our local services.

Our local Reform candidate wants to support British sovereignty, which is probably why they got a landslide win in my area

Making sure a company complies with equalities law does not need a team of people handing out rainbow lanyards and newsletters, it needs a good HR team and is well within the remit and competencies of that team. I don’t see our finance teams banging on about procurement and tax rules with pop up stands, yet that’s another piece of legislation my workplace needs to comply with.

Despite a large spend on EDI grifters, it’s made no difference to our large organsiation’s success or failure rate when it comes to dealing with discrimination claims in the workplace.

I saw an interview about this.

The interviewer kept pushing him that the immigrants would stab the boat to sink it and he said "give them another boat" and the interviewer kept on "what if they stab and sink that boat" and he said something like "eventually people need to be responsible for their actions".

He said he regretted getting drawn into the trap that the journalist goaded him into.

"Replace the 2010 Equalities Act The Equalities Act requires discrimination in the name of ‘positive action’. We will scrap Diversity, Equality and Inclusion (DE&I) rules that have lowered standards and reduced economic productivity"

That, right there, would be the starting point. Or did you think scrapping DEI rules would only affect the Transgender community?

I live in a city where Asians have been living there since the 1950s. Hear people who voted Brexit and Farage's parties due to them. These Asians have been in the UK for a good 15-18 years before UK entered the EEC, what the EU was called in those days.

The Asian families that have been in the UK for 70 years have 3-4 generations born in the UK.

Hate pig ignorant racist people.

We have sovereignty. We are a free independent nation. We make our own laws. We have our own money. We choose our own migration policies. Your local Reform candidate sounds ignorant.