AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

There is already a reunion scheme for legal migrants -why do we need another one?

Your partner or child may be able to join or stay with you in the UK if both of the following are true: you were part of a family or in a relationship before you were forced to leave your country. you have protection status (permission to stay as a refugee or person with humanitarian protection)

Reform is bloody gross, only issue being things like immigration issues, gender issues, etc etc need to be brought into the conversation but many other parties are scared of being called bigoted.

Once upon a time, these were normal issues to be touched on and you were only bigoted if you wished minority populations to get the fuck out. Now, you are bigoted if you mention their existence.

The reform party are diabolical, but they are brave, that’s why they have support.

I've read their manifesto and nowhere does it say about limiting women's rights

Oh and FYI, not wanting uncontrolled mass immigration isent about "race" it's about the uncontrolled mass part

But these problems with the public services are not caused by immigrants…?? That’s the point - it’s just a big lie that plays on people’s’ insecurities and lack of information.

Perhaps a fairer statement would be to say The problems are caused by immigrants - that we can’t afford to pay for - because we - the government and corporations- will not put any more money into the public sector or services, because we want to keep any available money for ourselves. If we tell Joe Public there’s no extra money and the immigrants are unaffordable; then they’ll hate the immigrants and see immigration as ‘The Problem’.

Reform voters are thick as pig shit. If they honestly believe immigrants are causing all the woes in this country....
Absolutely barking. They just believe everything they read in the right wing press.

Makes me angry they can publish lies so the knuckle draggers just soak it all up.

The problem here is business needs the 100s of 1000s of migrant workers each year that come here, not least in Care.

X Channel migrants make up a relatively small part of the the numbers coming here.

Reform, like Labour and the Tories before them, can say what they like but stopping people crossing the channel, since leaving the EU, which of course Farage was responsible for, is extremely difficult.

My parents were very racist, in a polite way. I was brought up by them and took on their views, as many children do. As a teenager in the 70s, yes I was very racist.

Once I left school, made my own way in the world and broadened my horizons I realised that my parents views, although fairly typical for that generation and area of the country, we're not the only views available to me and that I much preferred other views.

I lived and learnt.

"Any normal and fair-minded person would have a perfect right to be concerned if a group of Romanian people suddenly moved in next door."

"[Andrew] Tate was a very important voice for an emasculated … That masculinity is something we should look down upon, something we should frown upon,”

I think people do think Reform will improve public services. They don’t want to pay for disability benefits to families reaching hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, don’t want the council’s social care and SEND bills to mean there’s no money for roads, public transport, bin collection or parks. So “better public services” is very much in the eye of the beholder.

And I don’t know anyone who’s going to lose sleep over EDI coordinators losing their jobs.

Great.

Nigel Farage has not.

How condescending! “Poor people” “people who failed in life” Reform did really well round here, We have some very affluent areas. I didn’t vote Reform (I voted for the long serving Tory councillor who, I thought did a good job) - shall I tell my multi millionaire friend who did vote Reforn he’s failed in life?

Attitudes such as yours are precisely the reason behind why the far right are on the rise. People in less affluent areas are likely to be the ones disproportionately affected by immigration-yet here you are condescendingly rejecting their experience.,

Maybe, if the main parties started listening and doing we would be in a better position re extreme politics. If you try and shut people up, people will keep shouting louder. Immigration and lack of integration are massive issues for many I lived in that type of area-it’s destroying. Communities. People need to see multiculturalism doesn’t work and people who live amongst this are seeing it doesn’t work and are becoming increasingly vocal about it. So you need to start listening

Look at America to see how multiculturalism will go. Is this what you want for your country? Why do something that makes your country demonstrably worse?

And this isn’t a UK problem - AfD and RN are doing well in France and Germany, despite the internet liking to think everyone’s swiveled to mainstream parties in the face of Trump.

Denmark also has some really strict immigration and integration laws that we would do well to follow.

Who are you referring to?
If you are not going to elaborate, all I can say is jog on.

Are you lazy? Were you just hoping to get other members frothed up so you don't have to present a coherent argument of your own. Just wind up the membership and watch them go at each other?

I'm all for reasoned debate but, where I am from, this is just called shit-stirring.

@jasflowers Reforms Ben Habib suggested putting them into more robust dinghies, whilst at sea and if they scupper this boat, let them drown.

So please tell me when and where he said this?

Maybe the women, disabled people, LGBTQ+ and people of colour that equality legislation has been put in place to protect i.e. most of us.

Of course people on benefits are scared of losing them! Well done captain obvious! How would you like to be disabled and/or a single mum and be told your benefits are going to be cut? Or should they just happily see their money taken away and spent on the new arrivals?
And now people renting are told SERCO are encouraging landlords to boot tenants out in favour of refugees for more money!
It must be great to live in your privileged little bubble!

Attitudes such as yours are precisely the reason Reform are on the rise.

This.

I’m pro choice, and broadly agree with 24 weeks. But medicine has moved on significantly since that limit was set, and so we should absolutely be sense checking whether it’s still appropriate.

Also we should not be afraid to debate ANYTHING, including obvious things like should murderers go to prison and should convicted paedophiles be allowed to teach children - debate doesn’t move us away from the “right” answer.

Let's just hope the votes were all protest votes
and labour and conservatives listen and change things more towards what people want .
Local elections are a good way to let the two main parties know ,we are not happy with them hence the gain in light blue and yellow.
I don't think that majority of the public would vote the same at a general election.
I think Brits as a whole are too cautions to try a new party in government .
I might be wrong
I don't think Britain is a racist country at all ,on the whole we are welcoming and accepting,there's always a few that try to ruin things ,I'm just saying on the whole we are not racist
But we haven't been listened to by the two main parties,and people feel things have to far ,in a number of areas .(not just immigration)
Plenty of time for blue and red to adapt somewhat to what people want in the next 4 years

People need to see multiculturalism doesn’t work and people who live amongst this are seeing it doesn’t work

London is by far Britain's most multicultural and most successful city.

Exactly. Twats.

Did I say that? My point was that because their chair isn’t white, it’s upset some supporters who are extremely racist.

I think the thing a lot of people are missing is that voting in local elections has got fuck all to do with immigration. Unless you live in Dover/Folkestone and your local councillor will actually be on the beaches with a big gong telling people to turn around.

lcoal elections are about school funding, SEN funding, lco care fund etc. I live in Kent and am concerned what will happen to my daughter’s school as a result of Reform getting their grubby hands on the mast. It’s bad enough we’ve been Tory for years with the local council selling off land left right and centre and doing shady deals with building g companies while destroying the local environment and look of my closest town. Now with Reform in charge round here it will certainly get not get better.

local elections are about what is best for the local area and need leaders who care and genuinely want to make a difference, not mouth process for a populist party.

there is zero point in a ‘protest vote’ At a local level. It just harms the most vulnerable in society. But I suppose the Reform voters don’t care about them as long as the ‘boats stop’.