AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

Who can’t fathom that?

And you have no answered my question: why are you assuming all those posting in opposition to ReFUK are white?

I don’t understand they issue with Sharia courts when we have the Beth Din and it all takes place under our established legal framework.

While women in Muslim countries are still killed or beaten for not wearing head coverings or top to toe coverings - it is not a free choice.

I’m just wondering what the criteria would be for a British name. It’s an interesting question.

I do think it’s safe to say that if someone is born in Britain they’re British? I wouldn’t necessarily extend that to someone who is granted citizenship as an adult. (Although they are obviously a British citizen.)

Definitions of men and women are an interesting analogy. I’m assuming (from what you’ve said) you believe, like me, that it’s not possible to change sex. How do you feel this analogy would be applied to Britishness?

You’re not seriously suggesting that we shouldn’t judge a religion that stones women to death for being raped and imposes a sentence of a rapists sister being raped in public as retaliation for the crime??

Don't forget throwing gays off tall buildings and FGM

@BundleBoogie I hope you guys realise that many of the young asylum seekers you've been complaining about on here are fleeing from exactly this kind of danger and persecution.

Wow I hope you’re banned disgusting

Lmao yeah that’s why they throw their passports in the sea and bypass France

The vast majority of Muslims do not practice or align with this branch of Islam and those most endangered by it are other Muslims, not white British people. Don't conflate faith with extremism!!

What are you talking about??

Quite hung up on this aren't you? Does race matter that much to you on this point? People of whatever ethnicity are free to vote for who they want.

I agree.

A hotel a day being filled with migrants. Many young, able bodied foreign men with no background checks in small communities.

Many of these young men don’t see crossing the channel as particularly risky to life given the 1000s who have successfully done it. Being an economic migrant is not fleeing persecution - it’s coming to a country illegally to make money without contributing to society or the community.

So why do you think all men from Morroco (to use your example) share the same attitudes and beliefs? To the point where they should automatically be denied entry off the back of them?

If Reform get in power, their supporters will realise that stopping the boats is a) not the answer to their problems and b) not as easy to do as Farage suggests.

Does Farage even want to stop the boats really, or is it just a good way to get himself into power and do the things he does want to do?

Because the secondary status of women is endorsed in the Quran (which I have read). Because these men are socially trained to treat women poorly. It is in their culture. In the UK, views of burning down hotels are not acceptable to most - they are thankfully the minority.

Most people want migrants to be dealt with sympathetically but simply taking migrants continually with no end point plan is not sustainable nor is it likely to be helpful to many communities housing them.

Why do you think people see stopping the boats will answer their problems?
They want the obvious unrestricted and illegal immigration stopped. They don’t want to walk down the High Street and think they could be in Cairo or Islamabad.
Everyone knows stopping the boats won’t fix anything in their lifetimes. But it’s still wrong and not nice watching these people abuse the system.

I do think it’s safe to say that if someone is born in Britain they’re British?

British citizenship is not automatic - I know several EU citizens (teens) born in the UK to an EU parent and they are not British. They may have the right to apply for British citizenship.

@HellsBalls @Moveanymountain
I mean this respectfully: if your ideas about asylum seekers are purely based on media/news consumption, I would recommend broadening your sources and conducting some non-biased research.

I have worked firsthand with young asylum seekers and the levels of (very confidently expressed) ignorance on this website is quite something.
They are not a homogenous group. I imagine you have a 'copy and paste' type image of them in your head; this is false and (sorry) racist.

'Migrants' and 'asylum seekers' are not the same. Migrants come here by choice to work (on visas), whereas asylum seekers are forcibly displaced people.

It is extremely hard to live here as an illegal migrant (no visa), let alone make money, and they certainly cannot access any of our services. It is not possible for them to abuse the system, because they cannot claim benefits or receive NHS treatment (migrants have to pay an annual fee to access the NHS).

If you walk down the high street and are upset by the sight of 'foreigners', you are making a load of extremely biased assumptions about them.

Ironically after the Neanderthal population was wiped out, Britain was an uninhabited island for some time. The first modern settlers came here from the Middle East!! Your ancestors perhaps? Lol

aha, so I guess they didn’t have settled status?

My maiden name was Harvey, which is a version of the Norman French (1066 etc) of herve, which meant infantryman. Nevertheless, the Norman infantrymen have assimilated and integrated.

They do have settled status but British citizenship is not automatic.

I also work with migrants in a health care setting (health assessments on arrival, vaccinations etc). I know asylum seekers and illegal economic migrants are different.
I have both sympathy and empathy for genuine asylum seekers. But I also believe that we cannot continue to accept and support migrants of any sort without a limit or endpoint.

And I do have concerns about cultural differences. For example, I have vaccinated 1000s of migrant children and commonly, the fathers allow their sons to be vaccinated for HPV but not their daughters, despite cervical cancer being a much bigger risk than penile.

Apparently it varies depending on the year the child was born, but if one of the parents had IL to R, right of abode, right of readmission or after 2006 any of those three or settled status or permanent residence status if an EU citizen then British citizenship is automatic (unless it’s just the father who fulfils the above criteria and they’re not married). I checked that, this is not from memory 😆

So I guess if a parent is a British citizen it’s straightforward, and if neither parent is then it comes down to their status and if they were living in the UK at the time.