AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

It doesn’t matter whether you agree with it or not. It’s none of your business.

It’s very problematic, not seeing the face means we cannot communicate effectively given facial expressions are how we read people .

Every time I see this argument being used I just actually shake my head in absolute dispair…

Wild animals know no different. They hunt, for their own food to survive.

Can they just pop down the road to Tesco. No.

Exactly. Not to mention the safety aspect or if someone ever needed to be identified in a crime/investigation situation. It’s dangerous.

(cue the racist card again!) ‘are you saying all Muslims who wear face coverings commit crimes’ … I can literally hear it.

It’s no more dangerous than it was for us all to obscure our faces during covid.

Yep . Photo ID , passport, driving license is no good if you can’t see the face . Wasn’t there a guy trying to evade the police in a burka a while back .

You are being ridiculous

It’s probably time the UK withdraws from the Refugee Convention.
It allows unlimited asylum applications and we have no means to control the numbers.
The convention is from a bygone age.

Of course it’s our business. Do you think we should have Sharia courts in the UK?

Exactly! Dressing as they choose? 😂😂
In your typical Muslim family the girls have no choice but to wear a scarf or hijab. Are you seriously suggesting that a fashion conscious teenager who has free choice has chosen to wear a hijab? Women are treated as second class citizens and I do not think this backward view should be tolerated in the U.K. today.

@LookingForRecommendation Someone told me earlier in this thread that it's okay to import millions of men from misogynistic cultures and it won't have any impact because "misogyny is a British value" anyway.

I'm not saying there isn't any sexism at all in the UK but the level we have is not even close to being on the same order of magnitude! They're incomparable!

What’s that got to do with women covering their faces? And no I’m not being ridiculous @hattie43.

This is an argument for not ripping a live animal limb from limb as a means of killing it to eat, and therefore ensure your own survival.

It is not an argument for vegetarianism or veganism, or if it is, it's a very flawed and naive one. I also shake my head in despair that you appear not to understand this.

Because by acting like religious freedom should entitle anyone to do as they wish, and it’s nobody else’s business, you sleepwalk into a theocracy.

Only those desperate to support the suppression. of women

I agree. This has been obvious to anyone paying attention for a while.

The unstated mechanism which previously restricted numbers without anyone having to be mean and say no explicitly was that the requirement to physically be in the country was hard to meet. That's increasingly not the case.

There is effectively no other cap.

Or those who don’t think they have the right to judge people from different cultures and religions.

👏 👏 shocking. I shall be celebrating VE day and so will most of the population in Lincs. Then again, we aren't ashamed to be British where I live.

👏👏👏

But we do have a right when it comes to national security.

Yup, and here he is https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24826379

and here's another one

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/04/suspect-burqa-counter-terror-restrictions

Obviously we should take asylum seekers, but at a minimum we need to know who they are, and a maximum number per year.

I think the Hong Kong and Ukraine schemes show it's perfectly possible to have specific schemes with their own rules, time limits, caps etc that are responsive to specific events. Plausibly also could have a capped scheme for general UN migrants (Australia e.g. has this - for a limited number of selected families from UN camps) which is assessed each year against resources available. Entirely possible and in 2025, almost certainly wouldn't damage our reputation among other western countries as they all have similar issues and it's just that no-one wants to be the first to seem mean and withdraw!