AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

As opposed to a greasy please clothe me anti British woke oh and I need new glasses too please idiot . You think starmer being on the left makes him am paragon of virtue . At lease farrage sticks up for what he believes in rather than just outright lie to the electorate.

@MasterBeth
My searching can't find ANY purpose-built asylum seeker accomodation in the UK. There was the Bibby barge that was shut down because it became dangerous. There were plans for two military bases to be taken over and plans to rent out a student block in Huddersfield (student rooms are literally not deemed large enough for normal working people to live in). No purpose-built accomodation, as far as I can see. (Feel free to show me I'm wrong.)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dmgpljy45o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67996354
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-66544701
https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/fresh-450m-funding-round-opens-for-council-refugee-housing-scheme-with-focus-on-new-build/5128255.article

Spot on!!

I’ve had same experience re hotels it’s real and happening all the time.

Crown Plaza near me family had their booking cancelled as HO taken over for arrivals. It’s £225 per night it’s eye watering…it’s far from a shit hole…how is this ok?!

Fed up of same old nonsense and being lectured …again facts are facts.

Jesus christ.

Your taking Starmers comment and equating it to Trumps horrendous policies of illegal deportations and camps?

You actually think we should do the same as that mentally ill disgrace that's in the Whitehouse?

And then you use a smiley?

Truly stomach turning.

What are you talking about?

What is the plan?

And ' let's see' ?

I knew it before but this country is gone..lost to racists and people with no empathy for others.

These people will also be celebrating V.E. day, the bloody nerve of them after voting for a far right party.

That wound you up didn't it?

That's the way it will go if things don't improve and Reform get in.

Or British mariners may take matters into their own hands and form vigilante groups to puncture dinghies - this is what Greek fishermen did. Now migrants aren't so keen to land on the Greek Islands

So tell your "Labour luvvies" to up their game a bit and get it sorted.

To be fair to the previous poster there seems to be quite a lot of well-meaning workplace guidance regarding colleagues and Ramadan that suggests her anecdote might be true - even if the 'no eating in the office' that month was a suggestion or polite request:

For other meetings, something as simple as avoiding having biscuits on the table could demonstrate sensitivity to a Muslim colleague’s observance of Ramadan.

https://www.lewissilkin.com/insights/2024/03/06/ramadan-employment-issues

5. Raise awareness among co-workers
Simple steps like suspending cake mornings for a month can also help employees who are fasting feel more comfortable.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/ramadan-2022-rules-employers-staff-23590950

As a sovereign nation with an active military the UK does not "have to" do anything. When the question is "should we accept the unwanted arrival of thousands of young military-aged men from countries we've recently actively been at war with and which often have very high terrorism threat levels", there's no "obligation" at all.

We choose, and it is a continued political choice, to be party to international agreements that impose uncapped obligations on us to a) accept them onto our shores, b) consider their asylum claims according to a particular framework and c) allow some of them to remain indefinitely.

Those are active choices we are making.

Under different circumstances we might choose to a) deny them from landing at all, b) arrest them immediately on arrival for committing an immigration crime, or c) consider but immediately deny every asylum claim.

We are actively choosing not to do any of that.

Half of the problem is that we passively accept that once someone arrives in Britain they have to be treated according to a treaty that doesn't work for us anymore. Why are we voluntarily ceding ground like that?

The public wants their government to make different choices.

“Those of us who are seeing exactly what’s happening “.

Dont make me laugh. Reform supporters see only what’s exactly in front of their noses, and become outraged about it. They don’t have a clue about the wider political picture. It’s called populism for a reason.

Ps how are you enjoying Brexit? Plenty of those I know are dusting off their Irish relationships, to support their passsport applications, a la Farage.

These people will also be celebrating V.E. day, the bloody nerve of them after voting for a far right party.

"These people" had grandparents that fought and died to keep this country a Sovereign Nation.

They fought to protect her borders and her citizens.

This is what allows all the whingers/scroungers/moaners and bleeding heart liberals to be able to have free speech.

So you're dead right, I'll be getting the bunting out

Are you stating Brexit was populist? That's the first time I've seen a remainer admit they entered into populist politics when they voted.

What wider political picture are you talking about?

When you say you can see what others can’t what do you mean?

Regarding legal/regular migration, we also don't have to have a system with:

• Uncapped visa numbers
• Relatively low requirements for salaries (they were recently raised to just be around the median wage) instead of requiring employers to try raising wages first
• No requirement for a labour market test (i.e. advertising for British workers first and needing to prove they weren't suitable)
• Equality law that means you can't favour British people for jobs (example: British junior doctors going without jobs and having their training go to waste)
• Ability to sponsor for jobs like takeaway shop manager
• Ability to get ILR after just 5 years, and then stop doing whatever job you were brought in, have access to benefits etc
• Ability to get citizenship just 1 year after that and then never be able to be asked to leave again
• Ability to immediately sponsor spouse visas at that point and encourage migration chains back to your home country that cement ethnic segregation

And so on and so on and so on.

These are all choices.

The party that shouts loudest about "uncontrolled mass immigration" is, ironically, the party that had Brexit as virtually its sole focus before the referendum and changed its change to "Reform" to disguise the fact.

It's thanks to their beloved bloody Brexit that the UK no longer has the right to return migrants who have entered via another EU country (eg France) to "the first safe EU state". Any fool could see that there was no way those Dublin Agreement rights could be retained post-Brexit, and anyone who voted to leave in the belief that it would reduce immigration was either delusional or taken in by a pack of lies.

It's thanks to losing that right that we now have desperate people risking (and often losing) their lives crossing the channel in rubber dinghies in significant numbers. Everyone who voted to leave the EU in the hope that there'd be fewer "forriners" needs to own their part in creating that problem.

Added to which, it meant that we lost many of those EU immigrants who were working in the NHS and social care and whose jobs are now being done by immigrants from other parts of the world, because there aren't enough British people doing those jobs.

Quite frankly to eat meat then express concern about the welfare of the animal is ridiculous, you can see that surely?

It's not ridiculous AT ALL. It's what separates civilised humans from carnivorous wild animals who might rip something apart and start eating while it's still alive. We have the means and the know how to make farming and slaughtering animals for food as humane as possible within reason, given that they have to end up dead anyway. So we absolutely should do what what we can do minimise suffering and it absolutely does matter whether a sentient being is conscious and terrified as bleeds to death.

To be fair, his family background does have some relevance as it was reported that Rudakubana was obsessed with genocides, including the 1994 Rwandan genocide. We don't know how much the Rwandan genocide had been discussed in the family home. I also wonder whether negative statements from politicians and others about Rwanda (as a place for asylum seekers to live now) may have had a contributory effect on his state of mind.

@LakieLadyyou really don’t have it right on the first safe country return. Can you read up the Dublin Agreement and how it works, and how many use it.

I think you’re being extremely naive. Reform were unheard of 5 years ago yet they’ve inflicted more damage than any other 3rd party, by a LONG way. Farage is absolutely magnetic for a lot of people. We ignore this and wave it away at our peril. I no longer think we can predict what the public will do.

Labour URGENTLY need to appeal to working people. Not pensioners, not people on benefits, not LGBTQ, not migrants - just people who go to work every day, pay their taxes (whatever rate that is), yet are called ‘selfish’ for not wanting to give more by people who don’t lift a finger either way.

If they can somehow filter through to clean up town centres, improve green spaces, fix potholes, reduce the vape and barber shops, increase the bin collections and street cleaning, reopen libraries and swimming pools etc, then the optics of a relatively small project would have a big impact I reckon.

Nick Timothy MP
@ NJ_Timothy
Here we go again. In 2017 under the Dublin regulation: - 314 migrants were transferred out of the UK - 461 migrants were transferred to the UK The year before the numbers were 362 and 558. Dublin didn't work. Labour aren't serious.

It was also equally misleading when people reported that he was a "Welsh Christian incel".

The Rudakabana story is, sadly, a good example of the well known phenomenon of second-generation children from families with traumatic immigration backgrounds becoming radicalised.

And yet I'm laughed at when I say 30 years isn't enough time to integrate millions of people, including many from exactly such backgrounds. Resources and impacts don't stop when the first migrant becomes a citizen and "as British as you and me".

It wasn’t ever meant to do much. Some on mn have built it to be a deterrent or way to move loads if people. It’s not. Not in the UK or in any EU countries hence Germany struggling still.

@StupidBoy So we absolutely should do what what we can do minimise suffering and it absolutely does matter whether a sentient being is conscious and terrified as bleeds to death.

Yes, but how do you know that stunning makes the animal insensitive? Maybe all you get is a more compliant animal, not an unconscious one.

The kindest method to dispatch a farm animal is a Captive Bolt Pistol - if used properly.

Years ago ECT (Electro Convulsant Therapy) was used to treat depression in humans. The patient was anaesthatised and electric shocks administered to the brain.
If this was a painless procedure why were patients anesthatised first?

It's misguided to focus on "return them to France, France is a safe country" in my opinion.

People act like it's a zero-sum game and a fixed number of asylum seekers WILL arrive in Europe and HAVE to have their applications considered and HAVE to be accepted if they check X,Y,Z box. And that the problem is therefore simply how to distribute this fixed number of people fairly across Europe.

The problem is how to reduce the number of people who arrive in Europe at all, and how to reduce the red tape that prevents them being returned - and that is a problem that would benefit from European cooperation. The incentives are aligned between all European countries.

Several European countries have resisted taking in migrants and asylum seekers, including Hungary, Poland, and the Czech Republic, which have refused to participate in the EU's relocation scheme for refugees from Greece and Italy.
Denmark has also been a leader in returning resettlement refugees to their home countries. These actions have been met with criticism from the EU,

Hungary, Poland, and the Czech Republic, along with some other eastern European countries, have consistently opposed the EU's mandatory relocation scheme for asylum seekers. They have cited national security concerns, economic impacts, and the perception that the EU is imposing a burden on them

"Frontline" Country Policies:* *
Some countries, like Italy, Greece, and Spain, have implemented policies to discourage migration and restrict asylum claims

If they can do it, so can we.

Every member of the armed forces is attacked every time they leave the house? Wow.